------------ Original Message ------------
> Date: Thursday, October 02, 2014 10:35:11 +1000
> From: Voytek <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Latest update has broken outbound SMTP
SSL/TLS connections - completely
>
> 
> 
> On 1 October 2014 11:21:05 pm AEST, Robert Garrett
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Here are the significant points:
>> 1) My email server, which I own and am in complete control of
> 
>> So, K9 is the only thing that has changed, and now K9 is the only
>> email client that won't work.  Doesn't that make it pretty
>> obvious where the defect lies?
>  
> Yes, no, maybe.
> Perhaps, for sure, no way.
> 
> Choose one, choose more that one, choose all that apply
> 
> You own all the pieces, mail client, mail server, produce the
> evidence.
> 
> Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, without the logs, you
> are wasting your time, and, developers time, shooting moving
> target can be fun, but, hardly a productive pastime.
> 
>> SSL/TLS and 465 (out)
> 
> On a separate note, I'm far from a mail expert, and, am happy to
> be corrected, but, I was under impression that port 465 for smtp
> had been deprecated since...late 90ies?, and, submission port 587
> is the preferred and appropriate port?
> 

Port 465 is what is used if you're using ssl/tls. If you're going
with starttls it's 587. There are those who prefer starttls/587 (and
yes, technically 465 is depreciated), but not all clients support
that. Google/gmail's submission settings are ssl/tls port 465 -- see:

 <https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en>

(you'll have to make selections, e.g., imap/android (with javascript
on) to see the final settings page.)

The problem that I see with starttls is that if you don't set your
client to require it (and rather take an "if available" option) you
don't really know if your connection is encrypted (unless you're
running the server). K-9 dropped the "if available" option for
starttls with the recent update so anyone who was previously using
the K-9 "starttls - if available" setting and is now having problems
should probably select "none" as I suspect their server wasn't/isn't
really doing starttls. 

   - Richard



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