Hi Valorie, On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2020 04:37:32 CEST Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hi Ingo, > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:59 AM Ingo Klöcker <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sonntag, 26. Juli 2020 18:31:08 CEST Philippe Cloutier wrote: > > > An even bigger question, I'm afraid. When nobody steps up, what would we > > > do? I wouldn't mind "moderating" this list today, for instance, since I > > > found the time to read it. But I for one would not *commit* myself to > > > moderate it or any other; I just don't have the required availability > > > and if I had, I wouldn't guarantee I would remain available. > > > > I'm sorry, but I have the feeling that you are making too much of a fuss > > about > > this. Maybe you are misunderstanding what "moderating" entails. Or maybe I > > misunderstood for years what moderation of a mailing list entails. > > > > I am owner of one mailing list and moderator of another. Moderation of the > > second mailing list is restricted to the moderation of posts that are held > > for > > moderation mostly because those post come from unsubscribed senders (99 % > > of > > this is SPAM). I'm not even subscribed to the second mailing list. I don't > > see > > moderation of legit posts (i.e. posts that are not held for moderation) as > > my > > task. This kind of moderation costs almost no time. > > It's true that it costs each of us listowners/moderators "no time" per > list. Albert's point is what happens when such people disappear? While it > may seem like easy work that "anyone" can do, it can be like people > throwing litter into the trashcan instead of into the street. Each such act > takes a mere second, but when it is not done, there are mounds of garbage > (spam). > > If all of us listowner/moderators see ourselves as part of the list *team*, > then we can cover for one another, and recruit new team members when > necessary. I don't see this as a "fuss" but more about turning a small > problem into a small plus for the KDE community.
What I perceived as a "fuss" was Philippe's proposals about measuring moderator activity, setting a time limit, marking unmoderated relayed messages, etc. I'd prefer a much more down-to-earth approach and I can see a regular (e.g. quarter-yearly) message to moderators to check whether they are still active and a mailing list for moderators as useful tools. Regards, Ingo
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