No.

> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it does not affect 
> performance so significantly on MacOS?
> 
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> Hi Andrey,
> 
> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the difference in eeschema and 
> pcbnew-legacy performance is down to there being more text in the schema.  
> Since we use a stroke font, there’s a lot of stroke segments in each letter.
> 
> @Devs,
> 
> I understand why we use a stroke font on the PCB, but there’s not much reason 
> in eeschema, is there?
> 
> This is possibly one of the things that I plan on changing after the new 
> schematic file format is written.  The new file format will support font 
> definitions so replacing the stroke font in Eeschema should be doable. 
> Whether or not I have time to make this change remains to be seen.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> 
> The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say that performance 
> should be tolerable UP to that size complexity, if we set the bar any lower, 
> usability will suffer and people won't like KiCad because it's sluggish and 
> interface lag is the worst kind of lag.
> My project isn't finished and Chris' project is available now, is just the 
> right complexity and has layout that can be used for testing as well as a 
> schematic.
> 
> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest resolution without making 
> text blurry, using this for work every day, so it's extravagant, it's 
> practical)*
> 
> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth.
> 
> *eeschema:*
> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be considered normal, I would 
> have to guess ~400ms lag
> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode ~1700ms lag
> Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from Chris' schematic, 
> the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's just not right. Additionally, I filed 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> because the mouse zoom is 
> screwed up in eeschema, coupled with the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan 
> lag is related to the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps being rendered 
> when it should just jump to where the mouse ended up at, I don't know.
> 
> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom
> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom
> Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except maybe Fallback was ~400ms 
> faster.
> 
> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are obviously limited, ie 
> Legacy and Fallback by the nature of the task presented, but eeschema is 
> barely displaying 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse!
> 
> Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated Graphics (top to 
> bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA (Ultra Quality), No AA)
> All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd consider this 
> performance great, considering the amount of elements on screen.
> <image.png>
> 
> How long should it take to delete this many selected elements in pcbnew?
> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, perhaps ESC key should 
> be available to press anytime to undo the delete action and restore to 
> pre-delete screen when accidental actions are triggered that take forever to 
> complete?
> <image.png>
> 
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegma...@sw-systems.de 
> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de 
> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     to be honest, I don’t really know what this is about.
> 
>     @Andrey:
>     You looked for a very complex (foreign) project (Chris mainboard?)
>     to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac?
>     Well, we know that and we told you already some weeks/months ago
>     why it is like it is (if memory serves me right).
> 
>     Or, do you have an own project that is so ridiculously slow, that
>     you can’t work with it?
>     If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why this specific
>     project behaves like that.
>     If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could tell you how to
>     do some performance measurements so that we might see something.
> 
>     Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and also over at
>     the KiCad forum who might also be happy to get some more
>     performance here and there, but who are in general reasonably able
>     to work on their projects (including myself, on a 2012 Retina
>     MacBook with only an i5).
> 
> 
>     Regards,
>     Bernhard
> 
>     > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters <de...@latke.net 
> <mailto:de...@latke.net>
>     <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand
>     <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> 
> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Andrey-
>     >>
>     >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't conflate the
>     OpenMP discussion with this.
>     >>
>     >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low Resolution"
>     mode enabled?  You can activate this by choosing "Get Info" on the
>     main KiCad application and checking the option that says "Open in
>     Low Resolution".  You may need to do the same for the other
>     applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc) as well.
>     >
>     > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP …
>     >
>     > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird!
>     >
>     > I don’t notice any specific differences in EESchema performance.
>     Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of using more
>     smaller sheets with less info on each than one big sheet with
>     everything.
>     >
>     > I know, anecdote is not evidence.
>     >
>     > -a
>     >
>     >
>     >>
>     >> -Seth
>     >>
>     >> ​​2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov
>     <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> 
> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>:
>     >> Hi,
>     >>
>     >> So for now I've had a chance to test the motherboard project on
>     my Retina macbook display.
>     >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band zoom and I
>     have all scroll wheel accelerations and similar disabled, zoom
>     response is super laggy, cannot work like this, will need to make
>     schematics on windows.
>     >> pcbnew by order of slowness:
>     >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is major, boo boo
>     >> modern (fallback) - decent, but the lag can be felt, zoom lag
>     is minor
>     >> modern (accelerated) - almost cannot feel the lag, very nice,
>     nice zoom responsiveness
>     >>
>     >> I'll report tomorrow on 5K LG display.
>     >> ​
>     >
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