I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion. If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth the effort. If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be worth it.
> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this one. My best guess is to fix > the wx macos code first and see what performance issues are left. The > problem with messing with any of this is that if you break something it > will break all of the legacy canvas rendering not just the schematic > editor. I would move extremely carefully here. I would prefer that we > don't go too crazy this late in the v5 release cycle. If the > performance is truly not usable on macos, then we may have no choice. > > On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote: >> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the problem. >> >> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets: >> >> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy) >> >> { >> >> #if1 >> >> SetNeedsDisplay(); >> >> #else >> >> //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4. >> >> if(GetNeedsDisplay()) >> >> { >> >> SetNeedsDisplay() ; >> >> } >> >> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect); >> >> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy); >> >> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset]; >> >> #endif >> >> } >> >> >> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument invalidates the entire window. >> >> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the window and only invalidate >> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this: >> >> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd)) >> >> { >> >> //preparingtheupdateregion >> >> wxRegionupdateRgn; >> >> >> >> //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect >> >> #if0 >> >> constNSRect*rects; >> >> NSIntegercount; >> >> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count]; >> >> for(inti=0;i<count;++i) >> >> { >> >> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i])); >> >> } >> >> #else >> >> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect)); >> >> #endif >> >> >> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be repainted if there’s >> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a vertical one. >> >> And the latter turns out to be pretty much guaranteed by this one, which >> batches repaints: >> >> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update() >> >> { >> >> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30) >> >> { >> >> s_lastFlush=clock(); >> >> m_nowpeer->Update(); >> >> } >> >> } >> >> >> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you fix all those there’s still no >> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the individual draw items >> intersect the update region. (Sure, the actually drawing is clipped in >> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of code to get there.) >> >> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already crossed the Rubicon of >> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch. >> >> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, with a non-trivial risk >> profile. Should I continue? >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff. >> >> >> >>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegma...@sw-systems.de >>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> wrote: >>> >>> No. >>> >>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it does not >>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Andrey, >>>> >>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the difference in >>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy performance is down to there being >>>> more text in the schema. Since we use a stroke font, there’s >>>> a lot of stroke segments in each letter. >>>> >>>> @Devs, >>>> >>>> I understand why we use a stroke font on the PCB, but there’s >>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there? >>>> >>>> >>>> This is possibly one of the things that I plan on changing after >>>> the new schematic file format is written. The new file format >>>> will support font definitions so replacing the stroke font in >>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or not I have time to make >>>> this change remains to be seen. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Jeff. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov >>>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say >>>> that performance should be tolerable UP to that size >>>> complexity, if we set the bar any lower, usability will >>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad because it's sluggish >>>> and interface lag is the worst kind of lag. >>>> My project isn't finished and Chris' project is available >>>> now, is just the right complexity and has layout that can >>>> be used for testing as well as a schematic. >>>> >>>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest >>>> resolution without making text blurry, using this for >>>> work every day, so it's extravagant, it's practical)* >>>> >>>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth. >>>> >>>> *eeschema:* >>>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be >>>> considered normal, I would have to guess ~400ms lag >>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode ~1700ms lag >>>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from >>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's >>>> just not right. Additionally, I filed >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 >>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> >>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 >>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>> because >>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in eeschema, coupled with >>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan lag is related to >>>> the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps being rendered >>>> when it should just jump to where the mouse ended up at, >>>> I don't know. >>>> >>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:* >>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms >>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom >>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom >>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except maybe >>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster. >>>> >>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are >>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy and Fallback by the nature >>>> of the task presented, but eeschema is barely displaying >>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse! >>>> >>>> Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated >>>> Graphics (top to bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA >>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA) >>>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd >>>> consider this performance great, considering the amount >>>> of elements on screen. >>>> <image.png> >>>> >>>> How long should it take to delete this many selected >>>> elements in pcbnew? >>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, >>>> perhaps ESC key should be available to press anytime to >>>> undo the delete action and restore to pre-delete screen >>>> when accidental actions are triggered that take forever >>>> to complete? >>>> <image.png> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier >>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> to be honest, I don’t really know what this is about. >>>> >>>> @Andrey: >>>> You looked for a very complex (foreign) project >>>> (Chris mainboard?) >>>> to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac? >>>> Well, we know that and we told you already some >>>> weeks/months ago >>>> why it is like it is (if memory serves me right). >>>> >>>> Or, do you have an own project that is so >>>> ridiculously slow, that >>>> you can’t work with it? >>>> If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why >>>> this specific >>>> project behaves like that. >>>> If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could >>>> tell you how to >>>> do some performance measurements so that we might see >>>> something. >>>> >>>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and >>>> also over at >>>> the KiCad forum who might also be happy to get some more >>>> performance here and there, but who are in general >>>> reasonably able >>>> to work on their projects (including myself, on a >>>> 2012 Retina >>>> MacBook with only an i5). >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bernhard >>>> >>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters >>>> <de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> >>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> >>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> >>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand >>>> <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> >>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Andrey- >>>> >> >>>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't >>>> conflate the >>>> OpenMP discussion with this. >>>> >> >>>> >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low >>>> Resolution" >>>> mode enabled? You can activate this by choosing "Get >>>> Info" on the >>>> main KiCad application and checking the option that >>>> says "Open in >>>> Low Resolution". You may need to do the same for the >>>> other >>>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc) as well. >>>> > >>>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP … >>>> > >>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird! >>>> > >>>> > I don’t notice any specific differences in EESchema >>>> performance. >>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of >>>> using more >>>> smaller sheets with less info on each than one big >>>> sheet with >>>> everything. >>>> > >>>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence. >>>> > >>>> > -a >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> -Seth >>>> >> >>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov >>>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>>: >>>> >> Hi, >>>> >> >>>> >> So for now I've had a chance to test the >>>> motherboard project on >>>> my Retina macbook display. >>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band >>>> zoom and I >>>> have all scroll wheel accelerations and similar >>>> disabled, zoom >>>> response is super laggy, cannot work like this, will >>>> need to make >>>> schematics on windows. >>>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness: >>>> >> legacy - pretty slow, zoom lag is major, boo boo 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