As for road-map, I’d suggest that EeschemaGAL + newSymbolFileFormat == 6.0. Anything else that can ride along is fine, but not definitive.
The legacy stuff represents a tax on all development we do. Cheers, Jeff. > On 4 Mar 2018, at 23:31, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie> wrote: > > Well, I pounded on it a bit more, and it wasn’t really fitting into “easy” or > “straight forward”. It’ll have to wait. > > Cheers, > Jeff. > >> On 4 Mar 2018, at 20:07, Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com >> <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com>> wrote: >> >> We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't exist already, >> concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will be doing what. For >> example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC class refactoring you were >> talking about before or in parallel with parts of the porting effort. >> >> I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / bus stuff has >> landed. >> >> -Jon >> >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I would prefer to >> spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as well. I don't >> know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm guessing it >> will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you have any idea >> when this will happen? >> >> Wayne >> >> On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >> > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be unusable, it's just >> > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think it's worth any >> > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy into the GAL port. >> > >> > -Jon >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegma...@sw-systems.de >> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> >> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> wrote: >> > >> > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion. >> > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth the effort. >> > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be worth it. >> > >> > >> >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> >> >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this one. My best guess is >> >> to fix >> >> the wx macos code first and see what performance issues are left. The >> >> problem with messing with any of this is that if you break >> >> something it >> >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering not just the schematic >> >> editor. I would move extremely carefully here. I would prefer >> >> that we >> >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5 release cycle. If the >> >> performance is truly not usable on macos, then we may have no choice. >> >> >> >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote: >> >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the problem. >> >>> >> >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets: >> >>> >> >>> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy) >> >>> >> >>> { >> >>> >> >>> #if1 >> >>> >> >>> SetNeedsDisplay(); >> >>> >> >>> #else >> >>> >> >>> //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4. >> >>> >> >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay()) >> >>> >> >>> { >> >>> >> >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ; >> >>> >> >>> } >> >>> >> >>> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect); >> >>> >> >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy); >> >>> >> >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset]; >> >>> >> >>> #endif >> >>> >> >>> } >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument invalidates the >> >>> entire window. >> >>> >> >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the window and only >> >>> invalidate >> >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd)) >> >>> >> >>> { >> >>> >> >>> //preparingtheupdateregion >> >>> >> >>> wxRegionupdateRgn; >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect >> >>> >> >>> #if0 >> >>> >> >>> constNSRect*rects; >> >>> >> >>> NSIntegercount; >> >>> >> >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count]; >> >>> >> >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i) >> >>> >> >>> { >> >>> >> >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i])); >> >>> >> >>> } >> >>> >> >>> #else >> >>> >> >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect)); >> >>> >> >>> #endif >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be repainted if there’s >> >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a vertical one. >> >>> >> >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much guaranteed by this >> >>> one, which >> >>> batches repaints: >> >>> >> >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update() >> >>> >> >>> { >> >>> >> >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30) >> >>> >> >>> { >> >>> >> >>> s_lastFlush=clock(); >> >>> >> >>> m_nowpeer->Update(); >> >>> >> >>> } >> >>> >> >>> } >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you fix all those there’s >> >>> still no >> >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the individual draw items >> >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the actually drawing is >> >>> clipped in >> >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of code to get there.) >> >>> >> >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already crossed the Rubicon of >> >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch. >> >>> >> >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, with a non-trivial risk >> >>> profile. Should I continue? >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Jeff. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier >> >>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> >> >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> >> >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> No. >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandre...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font such that it >> >>>>> does not >> >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh >> >>>>> <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi Andrey, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess that the difference in >> >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy performance is down to there >> >>>>> being >> >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we use a stroke font, >> >>>>> there’s >> >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each letter. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> @Devs, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke font on the PCB, but >> >>>>> there’s >> >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that I plan on changing after >> >>>>> the new schematic file format is written. The new file format >> >>>>> will support font definitions so replacing the stroke font in >> >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or not I have time to make >> >>>>> this change remains to be seen. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Wayne >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>> Jeff. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey Kuznetsov >> >>>>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The motherboard project is not very complex, I would say >> >>>>> that performance should be tolerable UP to that size >> >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar any lower, usability will >> >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad because it's sluggish >> >>>>> and interface lag is the worst kind of lag. >> >>>>> My project isn't finished and Chris' project is >> >>>>> available >> >>>>> now, is just the right complexity and has layout >> >>>>> that can >> >>>>> be used for testing as well as a schematic. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running 3200x1800 (the highest >> >>>>> resolution without making text blurry, using this for >> >>>>> work every day, so it's extravagant, it's practical)* >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle mouse, zoom back and forth. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *eeschema:* >> >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times slower than would be >> >>>>> considered normal, I would have to guess ~400ms lag >> >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared to low res mode >> >>>>> ~1700ms lag >> >>>>> Even in low res mode, and removing 75% of the items from >> >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still ~200-300ms, that's >> >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I filed >> >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 >> >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> >> >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 >> >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>> because >> >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in eeschema, coupled with >> >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe the pan lag is related to >> >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are multiple steps being rendered >> >>>>> when it should just jump to where the mouse ended up at, >> >>>>> I don't know. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:* >> >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms >> >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, 300-600ms for zoom >> >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for panning, 600ms for zoom >> >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed increase, except >> >>>>> maybe >> >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, certain modes are >> >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy and Fallback by the nature >> >>>>> of the task presented, but eeschema is barely displaying >> >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is but lagging so much worse! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Just thought I'd include rendering of the Accelerated >> >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom: Supersampling 4x, Subpixel AA >> >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA) >> >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive, probably <50-100ms lag, I'd >> >>>>> consider this performance great, considering the amount >> >>>>> of elements on screen. >> >>>>> <image.png> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How long should it take to delete this many selected >> >>>>> elements in pcbnew? >> >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I think it was like 3mins, >> >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be available to press anytime to >> >>>>> undo the delete action and restore to pre-delete screen >> >>>>> when accidental actions are triggered that take forever >> >>>>> to complete? >> >>>>> <image.png> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier >> >>>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de >> >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hi, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> to be honest, I don’t really know what this is >> >>>>> about. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> @Andrey: >> >>>>> You looked for a very complex (foreign) project >> >>>>> (Chris mainboard?) >> >>>>> to prove that eeschema is slow on Mac? >> >>>>> Well, we know that and we told you already some >> >>>>> weeks/months ago >> >>>>> why it is like it is (if memory serves me right). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Or, do you have an own project that is so >> >>>>> ridiculously slow, that >> >>>>> you can’t work with it? >> >>>>> If so, please provide it so that we can analyse why >> >>>>> this specific >> >>>>> project behaves like that. >> >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want to provide it we could >> >>>>> tell you how to >> >>>>> do some performance measurements so that we >> >>>>> might see >> >>>>> something. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Obviously, there are a number of Mac users here and >> >>>>> also over at >> >>>>> the KiCad forum who might also be happy to get >> >>>>> some more >> >>>>> performance here and there, but who are in general >> >>>>> reasonably able >> >>>>> to work on their projects (including myself, on a >> >>>>> 2012 Retina >> >>>>> MacBook with only an i5). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards, >> >>>>> Bernhard >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, Andy Peters >> >>>>> <de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> >> >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> >> >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> >> >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Seth Hillbrand >> >>>>> <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> Andrey- >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new thread so that we don't >> >>>>> conflate the >> >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this. >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> Can you test running Kicad with the "Open in Low >> >>>>> Resolution" >> >>>>> mode enabled? You can activate this by choosing >> >>>>> "Get >> >>>>> Info" on the >> >>>>> main KiCad application and checking the option that >> >>>>> says "Open in >> >>>>> Low Resolution". You may need to do the same >> >>>>> for the >> >>>>> other >> >>>>> applications (Eeschema, pcbnew, etc) as well. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > testing on my 2017” touch-bar MBP … >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode looks fuzzy and weird! >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific differences in >> >>>>> EESchema >> >>>>> performance. >> >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t busy enough? I’m a fan of >> >>>>> using more >> >>>>> smaller sheets with less info on each than one big >> >>>>> sheet with >> >>>>> everything. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not evidence. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > -a >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> -Seth >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 GMT-08:00 Andrey Kuznetsov >> >>>>> <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com >> >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>>: >> >>>>> >> Hi, >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> So for now I've had a chance to test the >> >>>>> motherboard project on >> >>>>> my Retina macbook display. >> >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, feels like elastic band >> >>>>> zoom and I >> >>>>> have all scroll wheel accelerations and similar >> >>>>> disabled, zoom >> >>>>> 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