a good example is mr gates, he still the top billionaire in the world, he was a school drop out, he is an elite programmer without any certifications. but he knows well on marketing his software. programming is different, compared on reading images. you cannot tell that cats are the same to dogs.
--- hard wyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, there are also a lot of non-formally > trained, knowledgeable > programmers... And programming by the way doesn't > have to be > "authoritarian". You dont have to conform to the > preset rules just to create > an app. There are many ways to skin a cat (or dog). > The CIA has somebody who > cracked the Al Qaeda code embedded in JPEGs that led > to the Sept 11 attack. > That guy is Ankit Fadia, then 15 years old when he > broke the Al Qaeda > code... He's still doing consulting with CIA on > security and cyber warfare > as we speak... > > As for certifications being used for sales, > marketing, promoting one > person's technical prowess, I say these companies > must shift focus from > looking at the letters after the names, and look > more into what is written > in the SKILLS section and WORK EXPERIENCE section of > the curriculum vitae. > > I'd hire a 15 year old that can do code efficiently > and perfectly than hire > a "certified" slacker. > > On 10/9/06, edgardo bangga > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > the reason y gus2 nila certified it bcoz everybody > can > > claim na programmers sila, even highschool > graduate > > pwede mka ingn na kbalo sila mag program. > > > > On hiring programmers, on exam, most companies are > > particular on logic formulation, the way he solve > the > > program. It is not a big deal if you know the pl. > the > > important is that you understand the pseudocode of > the > > program. So, present certifications are useless > for > > future purposes. > > > > Certifications are just only part of sales. For > > bidding purposes and for confidence and trust:D > > > > > > --- hard wyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On 10/9/06, Earl Lapus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > i think ang purpose sa mga companies nga mo > hire > > > sila ug "certified" > > > > IT people kay para > > > > "humot" ang ilang baho... =) para man gud na > maka > > > ingon sila "all our > > > > programmers are > > > > java certified"... so bagting dayon ang mga > > > dalungan sa mga "business" > > > > people... murag. it's a way to market the > > > company... murag lang. =) > > > > > > > > > > :) as what the article has mentioned, > certifications > > > are irrelevant :). And > > > re-quoting the article, according to the survey: > > > > > > Vendors offer such an enormous range of > > > certifications, > > > > many of them easy to achieve, that the value > of > > > the certification process > > > > has been watered down. Likewise, > certifications do > > > not prove real-world > > > > skill. > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, specially in the Philippines, it's always > > > about what "paper" you are > > > holding... and not what you know of the job in > > > question. Added to that also > > > is from what school you came from. Although we > have > > > to admit, a lot of > > > expensive, ivy-leaguish schools do produce > fitting > > > candidates, but > > > oftentimes, those from lesser-known institutions > > > produce qualified > > > candidates too. But a lot of companies rarely > see > > > that fact. They start with > > > "Where did you graduate?". Then when the > candidate > > > did not come from their > > > preferred academe, they shrug the applicant off > > > :)... i should know.. I'm a > > > victim of this discrimination too :)). > > > > > > -- > > > "A dog that has no bite, barks loudest." > > > 0x68 0x61 0x72 0x64 0x77 0x79 0x72 0x64 > > > 68 74 74 70 3A 2F 2F 62 61 75 64 69 7A 6D 2E 62 > 6C > > > 6F 67 73 6F 6D 65 2E 63 > > > 6F 6D > > > 68 74 74 70 3a 2f 2f 77 77 77 2e 68 61 72 64 77 > 79 > > > 72 64 2e 6e 65 74 2e 74 > > > 63 > > > Registered Linux User #400165 > > > 'nuff said... > > > > > _________________________________________________ > > > Kagay-Anon Linux Users' Group (KLUG) Mailing > List > > > [email protected] > (http://cdo.linux.org.ph) > > > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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