begin  quoting Todd Walton as of Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 07:37:06AM -0800:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:49:41 -0800 (PST), Neil Schneider
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  SAN FRANCISCO--Software companies are taking colleges to task for not
> > producing computer science graduates who know how to create secure
> > programs.
> 
> "Most undergraduate degrees in computer science these days are basically
> Java vocational training." - Alan Kay

People keep quoting that like it's interesting or something.

-Stewart "CS degrees aren't meant to certify that you can program" Stremler
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