begin  quoting Andrew Lentvorski as of Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 05:32:18PM -0800:
> Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade wrote:
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> >Honestly, I think there are some issues inside Adobe...
> 
> Well, yes.  Adobe is basically Photoshop and PDF export for Microsoft. 
> PDF export is under attack as OpenOffice proliferates.  Photoshop is 
> basically flat.  It's why they bought Macromedia.  And now Flash is 
> under attack because IE7 just improved Javascript support.  Oops.
 
Didn't Adobe *start* out as a Mac house?

> They have three problems with Mac Photoshop:
> 
> A) They have a code and build base which is two generations behind and 
> will require an investment they are not likely to get returned any time 
> soon.
> 
> B) They have a limited number of useful OS X/Cocoa programmers and 
> hiring new ones is likely to be expensive
> 
> C) They see the relative sizes of the Windows and Mac markets
> 
> Honestly, every MBA in Adobe is probably screaming to dump everything 
> Mac.  And, truthfully, they're probably right.

In the short term, at least.
 
> It is likely that the only thing stopping this is that Adobe is afraid 
> that if they concede ground, Apple may step in.  Apple has shown that it 
> is more than willing to do this.  Look at how aggressively Apple has 
> gone after the video editing market.  Adobe can't be happy about that.
> 
> Gimp is actually pretty functional.  If Apple licensed a CMYK engine and 
> gave Gimp a native Cocoa UI polish, Adobe would suddenly have to contend 
> with Apple peeling away users from their Photoshop cash cow.
 
...which is the long term view.

I bought Photoshop Elements for the Mac.  It was okay once I got it
installed, but it was a pain to get installed; now that I've upgraded
the machines, it's pretty much hopeless.

I'm pretty much hoping that Apple steps in with something.  I actually
like AppleWorks (especially since StarOffice 5.2 committed suicide on
me) for basic stuff like spreadsheets and suchlike.

Too bad my AXPs are dead. I kinda liked ApplixWare as well. Just not
enough to buy it *again*.

> Think what would happen if every Mac suddenly came with a Photoshop-like 
> application.  It would be the death of Adobe.

Which would put Adobe at the mercy of Microsoft. And Microsoft isn't
known for being merciful.

I'd bed that Microsoft would use their leverage to "partner" with Adobe,
get a glimpse at the code, and then rip it off, and dump Adobe.  In
seven years, the remaining shareholders of Adobe would force Microsoft
to a settlement for some tiny fraction of Microsoft's resources. Most
of that settlement would be used to cover legal fees.

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