Lan Barnes wrote:

On Wed, March 28, 2007 3:26 am, DJA wrote:

We have no original manuscripts and we certainly have no witnesses. So
that leaves one thing with regards to the basis for the Christian
religion: faith. And faith is what one has when facts are not available.
It's a placeholder for knowledge. It's ignorance in denial. Holy
guessing. I have no desire to take away the comfort of someone's
religion, but for myself, I prefer knowledge, and lacking that I embrace
my ignorance as it gives me great comfort that I have much more to
learn. I don't ever want to know everything.

Actually, Paul himself gave, to my way of thinking, one of the most
poetically beautiful and factually accurate definitions of faith I've ever
read. I gave a quick search for the quote, but couldn't find it, and I
don't want to butcher the language. I'm betting contributors to this
thread know which quote I'm talking about.

But as DJA points out, the paraphrase of Paul's definition works out to:

 "Faith is the firm belief in things for which we have absolutely no
evidence, and the rejection of all evidence to the contrary of these
things."

Not the way I want to live.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

That was pretty good Lan. You didn't butcher it *too* awful much, not too much to be recognized anyway.



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