On Dec 19, 2007 11:42 PM, Gregory K. Ruiz-Ade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 19, 2007, at 9:16 PM, SJS wrote: > > Mutt does this sort of thing for me automatically. When I send an > > email, a copy of it ends up being stored locally, immediately. > > > > If the email never makes it to the list, I have a copy I can submit > > again. > > The really strange thing, though, is that there's a separate copy of > the message in my Sent folder (put there by Mail.app because I told it > to), which has only the headers that would exist as Mail.app created > the message for submission (i.e., no Received: headers, etc.)
I mainly use the Gmail Web interface, though I dabbled with going through Mail.app wen IMAP first became available. Have you told Mail.app to use the [Gmail]/Sent folder on the server as your default "Sent" mailbox? (Instead of a local "Sent" folder, that is.) This is done by selecting the mailbox and going to Mailbox > Use This Mailbox For > Sent. You should also do the same for the server's Drafts, Trash, and Spam folders. However, Google actually recommends *against* telling the client to save sent messages, since going through their SMTP server automatically puts a copy there. I'm not sure how well that translates to the Apps for Your Domain, though... do you use Google's SMTP or your own? > Additionally, I seem to never actually get the copy that comes from > the mailing list, which makes me wonder if Google Mail does Message- > Id: header matching to only keep a single copy of any message in my > message store. If they are doing that, then they're discarding any > subsequent copy of the message. That sounds about right. Google's Web interface treats your entire mailbox as a big flat-file database, where every message is just part of All Mail, and Sent Mail is just the ones that have you in the From: field. I don't have mailman set to send me my own messages on this or any list, since they'd just get swallowed up into the already-existing Sent message as you describe. Since the Web interface uses Conversation View to group messages with the same subject, it just keeps that one Sent message in the thread. Additionally, in the Web interface, "Inbox" is just a label applied to newly-arrived messages (unless the message is filtered to skip the Inbox, of course). Clicking "Archive" just removes the Inbox label, but it exists in the flat-file All Mail database at all times. For this reason, deleting an email from the Inbox in an IMAP client is sufficient to Archive it, since it already exists in both the Inbox and [Gmail]/All Mail. The only way to fully remove a message via IMAP is to move all copies (or at least the All Mail copy) to [Gmail]/Trash and delete it from there. -- Brad Beyenhof http://augmentedfourth.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list
