I recall a that made a comment that  a lot of people on another list were 
asking questions that they should already know. I also get the impression that 
many KPLUG members assume that everyone should be on the same technical level. 
I think some people are put off by this.

----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Main Discussion List for KPLUG <kplug-list@kernel-panic.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: SDCS project suggestion

Rick Carlson wrote:
> Tracy R Reed wrote:
>> gossamer axe wrote:
>>> If you want to get new users to Linux, more of the meetings need to 
>>> be more newbie oriented. 
> 
>> What will the experienced guys (most of kplug these days) do during 
>> the meetings?
> 
> Gee... Meetings oriented towards newbies with a bunch of seasoned 
> experienced KPLUG guys standing around with nothing to do?
> 
> I wonder how they got to be seasoned and experienced?
> 
> I am sure no one helped explain things to them when they were starting 
> out. Their experience and knowledge probably popped fully formed into 
> their heads one day while they were busy standing around making fun of 
> people who were not as smart as they were.

I don't know what you are referring to, but I have *never* seen anyone 
make fun of anyone at KPLUG.  People go way above and beyond the call of 
duty to help people out irrespective of experience level.

> Or, just a thought here, maybe you would get more people interested in 
> attending if they actually felt welcome? You know, radical things like 
> actually listening to what they say instead of dismissing out of hand 
> what they try to contribute. It is great to be in an exclusive club but 
> when you make it difficult to join the club then your membership 
> dwindles and pretty soon all you are doing is stroking each others egos 
> and wondering why people don't think as highly of you as you think of 
> yourselves.

What am I missing here?

We're talking about clubs that would hand over an *officer* position if 
someone would actually, you know, ask to be one.  That's hardly the 
model of an unresponsive club.

> Maybe you need to turn your perspective around. There are people who are 
> teaching computers and Linux in schools and non-traditional venues. 
> These are sources of people who have shown an above average interest in 
> Linux. How many of those Instructors are telling their students about 
> KPLUG and encouraging them to get involved? How many KPLUG members are 
> doing that instructing? Why aren't those students beating down the doors 
> to join KPLUG?

You're not listening.  People aren't beating down the doors to join 
*anything* anymore.  KPLUG isn't unique in this.

-a


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