Hello Rohan, Thank you for your reply!
And anyways, I have decided to vote now. Philip and David, you are welcome to answer the questions still, but I think I have made my choice:) Thanks again! Regards, Howard Chan (smartboyhw) Kubuntu Member On 2013-5-8 上午4:27, "Rohan Garg" <rohang...@kubuntu.org> wrote: > Hi > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Valorie Zimmerman > <valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Ho Wan Chan <smartbo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Valorie (and the other 3 election candidates) I have no problems asking > >> questions over e-mail. So, here are my two questions: > >> > >> 1. After Canonical decided not to sponsor the Kubuntu Project, Kubuntu > seems > >> more unwelcoming to Canonical decisions. For example, on the vUDS + > rolling > >> release affair, both Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) and Harald Sitter > >> (apachelogger) wrote blog posts that even alarmed Mark Shuttleworth > (sabdfl) > >> to reply. How would you try to improve the relations between Kubuntu > and the > >> general Ubuntu Community, or even better, Canonical? > > > > Hmmm, I would characterize the events differently. We're all a part of > > the Ubuntu community. Getting Kubuntu membership gives us Ubuntu > > membership as well. Mark heads Canonical and as such, decisions there > > are taken without our input. On the other hand, while he established > > the Ubuntu project and gives himself final authority on major > > decisions, it is a *community* project, and there we have a voice. > > Dialog is where change happens, and a healthy dialog involves talking > > and listening both. We read Mark's blog posts, he reads ours, we > > listen when he talks at UDS and other meetings, and I believe that > > when we talk, he listens as well. > > > > At the one UDS I attended (Orlando), I talked with a lot of Canonical > > employees and found them friendly and interested in my experiences and > > opinions as a community member and Kubuntu user. Some of them are > > Kubuntu users as well. :-) > > > > We're involved in the wider Ubuntu community already. I just > > represented Ubuntu Washington this past weekend at LinuxFest > > NorthWest, as I've done in past years. I'm an active member of Ubuntu > > Women, and have presented Kubuntu at Open Week before, as well as > > running local Ubuntu events for my loco. I run torrents for ALL the > > Ubuntu flavor ISOs, and have been doing that for awhile. > > > > A few sharp differences of opinion are nothing to worry about. We all > > feel safe expressing ourselves, and expect to listen to our peers as > > they listen to us. Dialog is what it's all about. > > > > I have to agree with Valorie here, I believe that Canonical should be > free to do whatever they want as long as they do it in a community > friendly way, instead of deciding things behind closed doors such as > Mir. Canonical provides quite some resources that make Kubuntu > possible ( Buildd's , PPA space, Automated CD building, etc etc ) and > I am quite grateful towards them for that. I have also interacted with > many Canonical employees at UDS's and it's always a enriching > experience to talk with them. > > >> 2. Jonathan's blog post ( > >> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/06/ubuntu-community-community) has made > some > >> other Ubuntu official distributions a bit worried. There are IRC > discussions > >> in Xubuntu's development channel and mailing list discussions in > Lubuntu's > >> mailing lists. For most of them discussing, they felt unhappy. Of course > >> Jonathan has disclaimed that he isn't trying to tether up relations with > >> other people or flavours (I believe that), but then, how would you try > to > >> establish better relations with other flavours? > > > > I participated in a vUDS session with a Xubuntu guy, and that went > > well. I don't have time to spend in all the flavor IRC channels, but I > > suppose randomly popping in occasionally would be a good move. I think > > all the flavors already participate with one another in LoCos, in the > > various Councils, on the wiki, forum and lists. I know that we have > > people from most if not all the flavors in the Ubuntu Women project. > > By the way, I consider Unity just one more flavor, even if it is the > > standard now. > > > > I hope that Canonical decides that spending money on a few community > > people each release for a real, face-to-face UDS is worthwhile. The > > virtual version is no replacement, in my opinion. There is nothing > > that creates friendships more than actually hanging out together. > > Short of that happening, I suppose the vUDS and IRC will have to do. > > Oh, and all of us who can, participating in our LoCos and other Ubuntu > > activities, outlets, councils, and so forth. > > I am uncertain as to why that blog post has made flavors worried. > Could expand a bit more as to why they are unhappy? Canonical wants to > do Mir in order to tightly control the ecosystem which is probably > required on the mobile space. While they're free to do that, I do not > agree with the decision since they committed to Wayland > 2 years ago > [1], and even going as far as promising to help KDE and GNOME with the > migration and then secretly went ahead and decided to go ahead and do > another display server to fragment the ecosystem further. This is > something that the community had no role in and was a huge step back > in collaboration with everyone. > > IMHO all the flavors ( LXDE / XFCE / etc ) who want to move to Wayland > instead of Mir should get together and collaborate together to make > sure the Wayland stack on Ubuntu absolutely rocks and we're ready to > switch when our respective upstream's make the switch to Wayland. > > <snip> > > Regards > Rohan Garg > > [1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551 > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel >
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