On Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:21:41 AM Ralph Janke wrote: > On 2014-11-20 09:34, Harald Sitter wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 20, 2014 03:17:33 PM Harald Sitter wrote: > >>> fwiw if only we had a policy to deal with dead upstreams.... > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Scott Kitterman > >>> <[email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >>> > Ktorrent is the current default torrent client that we provide in > >>> > Kubuntu. > >>> > Now that we've transitioned to Plasma 5, it's no longer > >>> > buildable/installable in "Vivid". > >>> > > >>> > The upstream web site is down: http://ktorrent.org/ > >>> > >>> ^ that wouldn't be the qualifier on whether it suffers from dead > >>> upstream > >>> > >>> > I looked in KDE git and there's no sign of a KF5/Plasma 5 port: > >>> > https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/ktorrent/repositor > >>> > y > >>> > >>> ^ that wouldn't either > >>> > >>> > My conclusion is that ktorrent isn't an option for Vivid, so we either > >>> > need to stop shipping a torrent client or pick a different one. > >>> > >>> ^ those wouldn't be the primary options > >>> > >>> food for thought > >> > >> JR fixed it, so it's not an immediate issue. > >> > >> IMO it wasn't so much a dead upstream issue as a no longer works with > >> Plasma 5 > >> issue. The dead upstream just made that less likely to get better on > >> its own. > > > > my point is that there is no dead upstream, as no one tried to talk to > > upstream (nor brought it to the attention of the large kde developer > > community).
> > The question is IMHO if you could ever consider an upstream dead. By > definition > this would mean that it would never become alive again. However, in Open > Source, > anybody can pick up the source and so a new group of people can take > over the > maintenance without anybody else being able to prevent it. > > So I would rephrase this question. How would you consider that a source > is > obsolete in the sense that there is a better one the replaces the first > one > and it does not make sense to put any kind of work in it anymore. Or, if > it > is still a valid choice, how to create the helpful flow of information > that > allows people to step forward to keep it maintained. Just an FYI Ktorrent is next on the Gardening team to do. We were able to get a new release with k3b and sparked new life into it. Please don't deem Ktorrent dead just yet. Scarlett -- Scarlett Clark Kubuntu Developer KDE Contributor IRC: sgclark Email: [email protected]
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