Sorry for having been absent for a while but work lately has eaten up all of my time and I kinda neglected mapping for a while (tonight was the first time in months I restarted Hammer...) But I still felt like replying to this: I kinda have to agree with both sides. The amount of players I see online on L4D2 during the evening in Europe has literally dropped 50% in a few months: we used to have 14k+ players active, and now it's 7k. Now I know that big releases like BF3 and MW3 will always take away some of the players, it still saddens me to see an excellent game like L4D2 losing so many players.
On one hand, it's certainly a good thing that Valve continues the blog posts and the Mutation rotation and it's great that we get the L4D1 campaigns, but I for one would like to see some small changes and I think lots of people will agree - Those darn heaps of medkits - The Tank on DeC1 that spawns ot the bottom of the building and cant get up to the survivors. The survivors just have to wait for the Tank to die before taking the elevator down - The return of featured custom maps - Making the Witch get startled easier when she's wandering - Cold Stream that is still in Beta I know some of these things are personal preferences, but I have to agree with the statement that L4D2 isnt getting the attention it deserves. Mutations are great, ported maps are great, those blog posts always provide a fun read, but I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say that some bugs should have been fixed or at least addressed long ago. That being said, I still maintain my opinion on Valve: along with Blizzard, they are the only game designing companies I blindly trust. If a product was made by Valve, by default I will assume it's good and Valve communicates a lot more with the community than other companies do. But it's just those small things that seem to take ages that give the impression that the game is abandoned, even if it's not really the case. But it's the impression we get. -Alexis On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Glen Huey <[email protected]> wrote: > Robert...settle down. No where did I say one negative thing about Valve > and if you look at my history of posts you will find that I have > been consistently supportive of Valve and especially Chet. From a > corporate and player base standpoint the game has been abandoned as the > numbers show. There is nothing malicious in the term, so lighten up on the > contrived drama. I have no doubt that if L4D3 sees the light of day that > things will fire back up again; such is the nature of computer gaming. > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:47 PM, ics <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The updates that L4D2 has received are always a good thing but the fact > is > > that the content is either re-run on L4D2 mutations or re-run of the L4D > > content coming over to L4D2. That's a fact. > > > > Also a fact is that L4D2 and L4D1 on aside of it got new stuff and they > > geniously combined the 2 games but still what new has there been for the > > people who already owned L4D since the sacrifice campaign release? Answer > > is, 1 beta custom campaign that seems to be beta forever, that's it. I > > don't know why it's taking so long though. > > > > I continuously have asked on this list when will the featured custom > > campaigns return. The answer was soon. That's pretty much typical Valve > > answer to anything that's coming someday. August 28th 2011 it had passed > 2 > > months and 29th (next day on that) Chet said soon ("we will be back to a > > regular schedule soon. We are waiting on our european data centers to get > > sorted out. They will return after sept 8"). I assume the servers are > fine > > and now it's almost 1,5 months passed from that reply and still nothing. > > > > I kind of see that Chet has his hands full and he seems to be the only > one > > that does these changes along with some small team that is porting the > old > > campaigns to L4D2 and perhaps the same people are involved with other > Valve > > games at the same time. L4D2 is just a side project these days. Chet, > share > > responsibility if you have no time. Just a friendly suggestion. > > > > -ics > > > > 6.11.2011 22:44, Robert Riter kirjoitti: > > > > I would not expect any meaningful updates as the game has been > abandoned. > >> Left4Dead in no way has been abandon. It's only been a little over a > >> month > >> since the last content update. If you look at the current overall value > >> of > >> the package, you get *14* campaigns counting all the L4D1 content. Also > >> the last major bug to happen (the sound issue) Valve fixed almost > >> immediately for us, and updated the community here on the mailing list > >> directly. > >> > >> I am really honestly annoyed with people who want to bemoan how L4D is > >> treated, or worse yet, land on Valve for it. I'd like you to name a > >> single > >> other game that's still getting updates, aside from other Valve projects > >> or > >> perhaps some Blizzard or Tripwire games, this long after release? Or a > >> single other game that received ALL previous installment content for > >> completely free on PC? Or are interested in providing new game modes > for > >> the community? > >> > >> Valve has done exceptional by Left 4 Dead 2. It's true L4D1 didn't get > >> much content, but given the situation and team changes I have no problem > >> with that. 2 has been great and there's a reason there's still a > >> dedicated > >> player base for it. > >> > >> As for the issue not verifying custom content? I agree it needs to be > >> addressed, and brought up but not in a 'bash valve for being nice to me' > >> entitlement situation. I've seen it happen a lot on servers I've > visited; > >> personally I don't mind, as I missed my vocalize radials and it's kind > of > >> neat seeing some custom survivor skins. Outside of Realism, "skin > packs" > >> and such you're worried about don't really do much in L4D, given > infected > >> already see outlines as part of the game itself. At most it helps find > >> items easier; again, it's a problem but there's no reason to go off and > >> say > >> things like "the game was abandon." A huge update about a month ago is > >> not > >> abandonment. > >> > >> Anyway, I've seen this same argument come up time and again and it's > >> really > >> kind of infuriating. It boils down to "They put more stuff in TF2 so > >> therefore I am being cheated on L4D2" when their handling of both games > >> has > >> been far, far above and beyond the call of duty. In an era where > getting > >> a > >> single new map for other AAA titles can easily run $15 or so that's an > >> understatement; I'd like to see a single title by another company that's > >> sold as low as $10 or less continue to get any support from the > developer; > >> most would already have killed the servers. > >> > >> Apologies for a rant here, but I'm used to seeing this kind of attitude > on > >> various forums and I'd really hate to see broad statements like this > start > >> up on the mailing list; it's frustrating to me to see the vocal minority > >> spread conjecture like that. 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