On Feb 25, 2007, at 11:54, beth wrote:

Last time we discussed how far back up the work one needs to leave the pins in, someone (Tamara, IIRR) pointed out that it isn't how many inches or how
many repeats that matter, but how many rows of pins you leave in.

Yeah, it was me; I'm obsessive that way :) In some laces, an inch of lace means a thread is "anchored" by 4 stitches; in fine laces, it's 30. Ditto for repeats -- some are short and some are very elaborate. So there's *no logic* to saying 2 inches. What if your lace is miniature and *totals* less than an inch in length?

So.... how many rows do I need to leave in?

I tend to leave about 10-12 at the footsides (and equi-distant, horizontally, at the headside. Which, if scalloped, will have more pins per inch than the footside) even if I have to push them down, flat with the pillow. It's probably more than is necessary, but better safe than sorry especially with those straight-down, untwisted, passives which dwell next to the footside (gathering thread).

Inside, it doesn't need to be even as much, half of the time. Usually, 5-6 rows will hold the shape sufficiently well. That's because the inside threads don't stay in the same plane very long -- they change direction, which, in itself, "fixes" them in place. The exceptions to that are likely to come in motifs which have "oblique cloth" (like some of the snowflakes in Binche and the cloth in very old or Freehand laces). In those, the change of direction of some of the pairs is so slight, it doesn't do you much good. Also, the *kind* of thread you use will make a difference too. In Ulrike Löhr's workshop (Snowflake quilt)

It occurs to me that one could figure out the length of lace the pins need to stay in by closely observing the beginning of the piece. At what point did the threads stop feeling like a rudderless sloop on rough seas and began to feel anchored, even if you tensioned them with a good tug, and *even* if you tensioned a single thread at a time (which, someties, is necessary)? That's your minimum.

But there's an exception to that, as well :) It hinges on the *kind* of thread you use. Linen has the most resistance/friction, so needs fewest pins to hold it in place. Cotton is a bit slicker, so needs more. And silk, even the matte kind, needs the most.

I'm working a torchon pattern in
fine thread (Finca 80), 10 footside pinholes to the inch, and each pattern repeat is only 4 pinholes long (!) Leaving the pins in for two repeats would only be 8 rows -not enough- but leaving a couple of inches worth in would be
twenty rows of tightly-packed pins.

Leave the *footside* pins in for 3 repeats (12 pins). Leave them in for 1.5 (6 rows) or 2 (8 rows) repeats inside. It should be enough to hold. Though I must say I concur with everyone else; if you're not short of pins, and unless they're getting in the way (as they might, on a roller), why remove them at all until you *have to*?

If your pattern has any spiders, I'd remove the central pins in those as soon-as-soon (ie, as soon as each of the exiting "legs" is anchored by one, two at the most, stitches), to avoid the "nipple" which tends to form around it. But, otherwise, why worry? It's one of those few situations in life where excess can't do any harm :)

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Tamara P Duvall                            http://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA     (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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