Karen brings up a good topic regarding whether one is a beginner, intermediate or advanced. A unified understanding of those terms might be a good idea in order to avoid people signing up for the wrong class. In NJ there were a lot of people who thought they were beginners, and did not have the courage to take a course calling for intermediate skills when I thought they probably were intermediates. I think of a beginner class as one where people are still learning to wind bobbins, make weaver's knots, learn half stitch, linen stitch and whole stitch (CTCT), possibly the rudiments of a torchon ground, and how to make a sewing edge. In NJ, I would have said that after the first three patterns people were probably in the intermediate level. How would others describe an intermediate? I don't have a ready definition for where intermediate passes into advanced, possibly it would include having experience with more than one bobbin lace discipline, like torchon plus point ground. What do others think? It would be nice if we could provide general guidelines for convention classes, or failing that, if the teacher could be specific about what skills the entering students were expected to have. Devon
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