I have seen class descriptions that refer to "confident beginners" and I like 
that description. Even with the basic skill levels Devon mentions, there is a 
difference between the student who needs to have the teacher coach them every 
step of the way, and the student who can make the same pattern with only 
occasional questions. The change into intermediate, I think, would come when 
the student could take a pattern they've never been coached through and choose 
their threads, wind their bobbins, start it and make it without help.

Terms like sewing edge, footside, and the different grounds do give me pause, 
though. Many lacemakers are self-taught, and they may do some very ambitious 
work and yet not know something other people consider quite simple. It would be 
annoying to be branded a beginner because you didn't know what "make a sewing 
edge" meant when you've just finished turning out your second bridal veil. That 
sort of thing can easily happen when you're self-taught.

As to intermediate versus advanced - that, I think, is a little more difficult. 
You may look at something like Binche, for example, and think it is very 
advanced because the thread diagram looks demented, but if you know your basics 
there isn't anything in Binche you haven't done already, and if you've got a 
thread diagram it's just a matter of plugging away at it. When I think of 
advanced lacemakers (and I know very few of them) I think of somebody who could 
make an intermediate lace from a pricking alone - without having a thread 
diagram.

One more thing - we started this discussion with a view to helping people sign 
up for classes that are appropriate for them. I'd just like to say that for 
many years my policy has been that when I go to a convention I sign up for a 
class that is a little bit easier than my maximum capabilities. That way I 
don't find it incredibly difficult, I'm not missing anything because I have to 
stay in my room and work on my lace just to catch up, and I don't go home with 
a big headache and 1/8" of lace on my pillow. I have seen a lot of people over 
the years (I attended my first convention in 1981) who said to themselves 
something like "well, I've finished the introductory Bucks Point pattern, now 
to take Bucks Point again, and I'll tackle that pretty one at the back of the 
book with 110 pairs". I think it's much nicer when you cut yourself some slack, 
and do the pattern that's just a little bit up from where you were. 


Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

On 2014-08-25, at 10:12 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> Karen brings up a good topic regarding whether one is a  beginner, 
> intermediate or advanced. A unified understanding of those terms might  be a 
> good 
> idea in order to avoid people signing up for the wrong class.

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