Hoi,
I am not comfortable with Asaf in an official role. His summarily dismissal
of any research in the rise of the Cebuano Wikipedia / the use of bot
created articles makes him only acceptable in a role of observer but that
is the extend of it.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 17 May 2017 at 13:51, Milos Rancic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry for delay. As I said, I am the sole responsible person for this
> delay, as I had numerous tasks to do in the meantime and this is not
> something to be done without being fully concentrated.
>
> == Organizational issues ==
>
> === Yearly meetings in Berlin ===
>
> Yearly meetings in Berlin. We've concluded that we want to have yearly
> meetings during the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin. It is the most
> convenient place, as almost all of us are Europeans and significant
> number of LangCom members live in Germany.
>
> === New member ===
>
> We have the new member, but that's been already known.
>
> === New list admins ===
>
> Saatdeep and MF-Warburg are new list admins. Old list admins are still
> list admins.
>
> === Internal procedures ===
>
> We should define the following internal procedures:
>
> * Who should define the rules how we are making decisions, per our
> communication with Board.
>
> * There was a question of how to call the vote and what does formal
> voting mean. It should be flexible, it shouldn't be necessary that
> everybody votes about everything, but we should definitely define it.
>
> * We should define the rules how to remove the LangCom members. Maybe
> we should adopt the stewards' confirmation procedure.
>
> === Who, what, do ===
>
> * MF-Warburg has created the spreadsheet [1]. All LangCom members
> should have access there. It's useful to know who is able to do what.
> (Said so, I haven't filled the info, which I should do ASAP.)
>
> * We should create our own Timeline, to be able to follow what should
> be done next. (It's likely MF-Warburg and I will do that.)
>
> == Languages Foundation ==
>
> * We were discussing creation of the ''active'' organization, based on
> the Language committee members. We started talking about that on
> Wikimania in London 2014, we are talking about that from time to time,
> but at this point of time everybody either expressed active support
> for the idea or didn't have anything against it. I will take the next
> step in the form of creating a separate thread, with suggestions how
> to continue that. Basically, the idea is to create the organization
> comparable to Wiki Education Foundation [2].
>
> * During the discussion about Wikipedias in new languages, it's been
> suggested that it would be good to have a wiki farm external from WMF,
> which would be used for small communities to write there their own
> knowledge, without having to follow strict Wikipedian and Wikimedian
> rules (NPOV, strict copyright and similar).
>
> == Language committee and WMF ===
>
> === Liaison ===
>
> We need a WMF liaison, who would take care about our needs in relation
> to the WMF. We've agreed with Kathrine that it would be better that it
> would be a WMF employee rather than a Board member, as we need
> operational support. She mentioned Jack (not sure about his surname),
> who talked with us a little bit. Although we haven't discussed that, I
> think the default option is just to "promote" Asaf from a "community
> observer" to the WMF liaison.
>
> === "In the name of WMF" ===
>
> In relation to the ISO 639-3 code for Mapudungun (see below), I've
> asked Christophe, Board chair, if we could find the way that Language
> committee fill the form in the name of Wikimedia Foundation. The
> answer is "yes" if we communicate particular issue with the Board. It
> is important to know that there is such an option for the future
> issues and not just related with ISO 639-3.
>
> == Linguistic issues ==
>
> === Mapudungun ===
>
> Mapudungun has the code which Mapuche people treat as derogatory. My
> position is that we should help them and make pressure over JAC to
> make the change. To be honest, I am prepared to push this into much
> higher level than Wikimedia is, as they were able to change the codes
> for a language because one ethnicity is inherently racist and didn't
> want to be connected with the other ethnicity by ISO 639-6 code name,
> while JAC are not capable to address colonial and racist past of their
> own societies.
>
> Said so, Michael was quite nervous about that and he will definitely
> vote against that when I put this on vote here.
>
> == Technical issues ==
>
> This is "the rest" what I have. Some of the issues have been already
> covered. If others have something else to add, let them do that.
>
> === Look & feel of Incubator ===
>
> It was raised by, I think, Oliver (and Michael?) that Incubator looks
> horrible for an average user :) I mean, it looks perfectly fine for an
> average Wikipedian, but quite confusing to anyone who doesn't know the
> internal dynamics of MediaWiki pages :D
>
> The conclusion was that it would be good to contact WMF and ask for QA
> help in relation to how to make Incubator pages more convenient to new
> users.
>
> (I have a note "incubator and programming", but I think it's about QA
> help. Anyone remembers something different?)
>
> === Phabricator task into the project ===
>
> Amir should convert the tracking task on Phabricator into a project.
> Our mailing list should be subscribed to relevant
> tasks/tickets/projects, making all of us informed about the state of
> particular request.
>
> === Transliteration and translation ===
>
> Kathrine, Amir and I communicated about the transliteration and
> translation engines. There is a low level email communication about
> that. If anyone is interested in that issue, let him or her contact
> Amir and/or me.
>
> In short, if transliteration engine would be made properly, it could
> be used for machine translation, as well.
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1km84QEg4MIbeWekZ4qZVibQ37pX3s
> d4p8qHSAyxqZos/edit?usp=sharing
> [2] https://wikiedu.org/
>
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