Hoi,
I do not support the Notion of a simple majorette When there is no ISO639
3. I want arguments and eventualy a vote.
Thanks,
GerardM
Op vr 19 mei 2017 om 01:08 schreef MF-Warburg <[email protected]>
> Forgot one important point:
>
> :''Eligibility of a language without a valid ISO 639-3 code, but with a
> valid BCP 47 code.''
> This would be a novelty.
>
> 2017-05-19 0:33 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>:
>
>> I put my draft on <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Voting_policy>,
>> comments on the talk page, and reproduce it below.
>> It shouldn't have anything new in it that wasn't already mentioned before.
>> Feel free to edit on Meta or write your opinions here.
>>
>> {{draft}}
>>
>> The Language Committee, with the approval of the Board, decided to change
>> its rules for decision-making. So far, every decision required "consensus",
>> defined as "no objections".
>> * Decisions of the Language Committee will continue to be made on the
>> mailing list and the committee will continue to try to achieve consensus
>> for them. If there has been no objection to a proposed decision one week
>> (two weeks for policy changes?) after the proposal was made, it is so
>> decided.
>> * When there is an objection to a proposed decision, any member may call
>> for a vote. A vote must then be held, but it should only start after the
>> question was discussed thoroughly.
>> * A vote will last for one week (two weeks for policy changes?). A vote
>> starts when a member sends a mail with the exact question to the list. The
>> subject of all the mails must include [VOTE] so that every member can
>> easily filter and notice such important mails.
>> * The following majorities of participating members are needed for a
>> decision to be adopted by vote:
>> **Simple majority
>> ***[[Language_proposal_policy#Requisites_for_eligibility|Eligibility]] of
>> projects in languages that have a valid ISO 639-3 code
>> ***Eligibility of a language without a valid ISO 639-3 code, but with a
>> valid BCP 47 code.
>> ***Final approval
>> **2/3 majority
>> ***Any change of the rules, including the committee's role in possible
>> changes of the [[Language proposal policy]] and [[Closing projects policy]].
>>
>> Some special provisions:
>> * The procedures according to the [[closing projects policy]] are
>> unchanged.
>> * Full consensus is still required for accepting new members. Like all
>> personal issues, they will be discussed on the non-public mailing list.
>> * Any committee member can mark clearly eligible [[requests for new
>> languages]] as eligible. Requirements are: the language has a valid ISO
>> 639-3 code, there are no significant issues with regard to the language
>> itself, the population of speakers is significant.
>> ** If a request turns out to be contentious, the commitee can remove the
>> eligibility status again.
>> * It is not possible to vote on approving a project which doesn't meet
>> the [[Language_proposal_policy#Requisites_for_final_approval|requisites for
>> final approval]].
>>
>> ==Comments==
>> :''(two weeks for policy changes?)''
>> Yay or nay?
>>
>> :''When there is an objection to a proposed decision, any member may call
>> for a vote. A vote must then be held, but it should only start after the
>> question was discussed thoroughly.''
>> I added this to prevent a voting is started immediately after someone
>> says something against an idea/proposal. Because of the current system,
>> discussions pretty much stop at that point, but under the new system, it
>> would be good if they went on first before everyone has to take a side.
>>
>> :''The subject of all the mails must include [VOTE] so that every member
>> can easily filter and notice such important mails.''
>> This was requested in Berlin.
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-18 9:00 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> that really makes me sad. We had really good rapport and momentum when
>>> we met in Berlin, and I would've thought that we'd be able to transfer that
>>> to our online communication. Is there still hope to mend what happened
>>> yesterday? (Now my troubles no longer seem so far away ...)
>>>
>>> Yours for the under-represented language communities of our planet,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> On 18-May-17 07:52, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> No as far as I am concerned the conversation has soured. I prefer for us
>>> to take stock and not rush on.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 17 May 2017 at 23:08, Milos Rancic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We could do that. MF-Warburg could put the proposal on wiki, so we
>>>> could discuss and comment there, as well. (But, we'll make the final
>>>> decision and final changes, if necessary, here. So, Gerard, don't
>>>> worry if you prefer to talk just on list.)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks to both of you, Milos and MF-Warburg, for providing the text.
>>>> >
>>>> > I was simply thinking that discussing a text with comments in an
>>>> online
>>>> > document would be much less cumbersome than doing so in an email list
>>>> with
>>>> > stacked responses. But whatever you prefer ...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 17-May-17 22:54, Milos Rancic wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:52 PM, MF-Warburg <
>>>> [email protected]>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> By the way, I created a draft for a policy on "calling votes", which
>>>> >>> includes these details. I can send it in a few hours.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thank you very much! :)
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