@ Anass: Can you convey these comments? Otherwise I can only post them on Meta on Wednesday.
MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023, 01:30: > If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page. > > Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < > mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: > >> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have a >> consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual >> members. >> >> === Approving new language projects - standards setting === >> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. The >> Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of LangCom, >> subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects >> to be recognised. >> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly >> recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself. >> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed >> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported. >> >> === Closure of lingual and sister projects === >> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to >> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on >> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will >> take the decision. >> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council >> is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council >> may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project >> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before >> final voting by Global Council. >> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to >> set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global >> Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards. >> >> To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has a >> structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however >> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established. >> >> To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language >> proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should >> have the competency to change this policy (alone?). >> >> To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have >> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom. >> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be >> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it >> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would >> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body. >> >> To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from >> current policy. >> >> To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project". >> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the >> relatively unknown adjective "lingual". >> >> To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently, >> projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that >> is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that >> Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual >> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively. >> >> >> >> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < >> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: >> >>> I will try to write something over the weekend. >>> >>> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati < >>> sedra...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hello and sorry for my late answer, >>>> >>>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned >>>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you >>>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council draft >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council>? >>>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to the >>>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before >>>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring >>>> about the movement charter :) >>>> >>>> I wish you an excellent weekend! >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Anass >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the >>>>> power to override the consensus and process of the existing global >>>>> community. >>>>> >>>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of >>>>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >>>>> >>>>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like >>>>> the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body. >>>>> >>>>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to >>>>>> be recognised. >>>>> >>>>> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the >>>>> current LPP. But this will cause serious confusion. >>>>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom >>>>> would be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body. >>>>> >>>>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee >>>>> langcom's structure and decision making? >>>>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki >>>>> about OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed >>>>> out >>>>> in the past will be implemented. >>>>> >>>>> Sotiale >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>> 바이러스가 >>>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>> <#m_4870794073240116331_m_2206688088646600982_m_-9185265129092455911_m_-406384858432134963_m_6013307663315263621_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> >>>>> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>님이 작성: >>>>> >>>>>> I have noticed that at < >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>, >>>>>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for >>>>>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. So >>>>>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am >>>>>> surprised. >>>>>> >>>>>> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still >>>>>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, I >>>>>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it would >>>>>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the >>>>>> proposal >>>>>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>
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