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Am Sa., 23. Sept. 2023 um 13:16 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati < sedra...@gmail.com>: > Hello MF-Warburg, > > So sorry for my late answer. I am currently in Ivory Coast for a > conference and I am not really always connected, apologies for that! > > Please if you have posted on Meta let me know, and I will take it to the > MCDC. Thank you very much! > > Best regards, > > Anass > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:04 AM MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> @ Anass: Can you convey these comments? Otherwise I can only post them on >> Meta on Wednesday. >> >> MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023, >> 01:30: >> >>> If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page. >>> >>> Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < >>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: >>> >>>> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have >>>> a consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual >>>> members. >>>> >>>> === Approving new language projects - standards setting === >>>> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. >>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of >>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >>>> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects >>>> to be recognised. >>>> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly >>>> recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself. >>>> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed >>>> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported. >>>> >>>> === Closure of lingual and sister projects === >>>> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to >>>> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on >>>> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will >>>> take the decision. >>>> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global >>>> Council is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global >>>> Council may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project >>>> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before >>>> final voting by Global Council. >>>> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to >>>> set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global >>>> Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards. >>>> >>>> To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has >>>> a structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however >>>> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established. >>>> >>>> To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the >>>> [[m:Language proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global >>>> Council should have the competency to change this policy (alone?). >>>> >>>> To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have >>>> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom. >>>> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be >>>> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it >>>> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would >>>> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body. >>>> >>>> To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from >>>> current policy. >>>> >>>> To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project". >>>> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the >>>> relatively unknown adjective "lingual". >>>> >>>> To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? >>>> Currently, projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, >>>> but that is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget >>>> that Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual >>>> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < >>>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: >>>> >>>>> I will try to write something over the weekend. >>>>> >>>>> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati < >>>>> sedra...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello and sorry for my late answer, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned >>>>>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you >>>>>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council >>>>>> draft >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council>? >>>>>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to >>>>>> the >>>>>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before >>>>>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring >>>>>> about the movement charter :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish you an excellent weekend! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anass >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the >>>>>>> power to override the consensus and process of the existing global >>>>>>> community. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure >>>>>>>> of LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds >>>>>>> like the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to >>>>>>>> be recognised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the >>>>>>> current LPP. But this will cause serious confusion. >>>>>>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom >>>>>>> would be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee >>>>>>> langcom's structure and decision making? >>>>>>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki >>>>>>> about OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> in the past will be implemented. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sotiale >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>>> 바이러스가 >>>>>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>>> <#m_5559675363552281990_m_-1947733767101341826_m_4870794073240116331_m_2206688088646600982_m_-9185265129092455911_m_-406384858432134963_m_6013307663315263621_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>님이 >>>>>>> 작성: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have noticed that at < >>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>, >>>>>>>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for >>>>>>>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. >>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am >>>>>>>> surprised. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still >>>>>>>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For >>>>>>>> now, I >>>>>>>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the >>>>>>>> proposal >>>>>>>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>>>>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > *Anass SEDRATI* > *(+46) 70 508 51 07* > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >
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