Hello MF-Warburg, So sorry for my late answer. I am currently in Ivory Coast for a conference and I am not really always connected, apologies for that!
Please if you have posted on Meta let me know, and I will take it to the MCDC. Thank you very much! Best regards, Anass On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:04 AM MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote: > @ Anass: Can you convey these comments? Otherwise I can only post them on > Meta on Wednesday. > > MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023, > 01:30: > >> If there are no other comments, I will post these on the talk page. >> >> Am Di., 5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < >> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: >> >>> Some comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have >>> a consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as individual >>> members. >>> >>> === Approving new language projects - standards setting === >>> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council. >>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of >>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >>> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects >>> to be recognised. >>> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly >>> recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself. >>> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed >>> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported. >>> >>> === Closure of lingual and sister projects === >>> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to >>> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote on >>> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom) will >>> take the decision. >>> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global Council >>> is required to progress with closing a sister project. The Global Council >>> may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of project >>> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before >>> final voting by Global Council. >>> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to >>> set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global >>> Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards. >>> >>> To point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has >>> a structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which however >>> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established. >>> >>> To point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the [[m:Language >>> proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global Council should >>> have the competency to change this policy (alone?). >>> >>> To point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have >>> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both are done by Langcom. >>> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be >>> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping it >>> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it would >>> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body. >>> >>> To point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from >>> current policy. >>> >>> To point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project". >>> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the >>> relatively unknown adjective "lingual". >>> >>> To point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project? Currently, >>> projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from creation, but that >>> is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't forget that >>> Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual >>> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively. >>> >>> >>> >>> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg < >>> mfwarb...@googlemail.com>: >>> >>>> I will try to write something over the weekend. >>>> >>>> Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati < >>>> sedra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hello and sorry for my late answer, >>>>> >>>>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have mentioned >>>>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period. Could you >>>>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global Council >>>>> draft >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council>? >>>>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take it to >>>>> the >>>>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round before >>>>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and caring >>>>> about the movement charter :) >>>>> >>>>> I wish you an excellent weekend! >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Anass >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki <sotiale...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The realization of the power specified on the page sounds like the >>>>>> power to override the consensus and process of the existing global >>>>>> community. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of >>>>>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used. It sounds like >>>>>> the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight body. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects to >>>>>>> be recognised. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is thought to grant the power to override the contents of the >>>>>> current LPP. But this will cause serious confusion. >>>>>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing langcom >>>>>> would be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate body. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the GC oversee >>>>>> langcom's structure and decision making? >>>>>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local wiki >>>>>> about OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have been pointed >>>>>> out >>>>>> in the past will be implemented. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sotiale >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>> 바이러스가 >>>>>> 없습니다.www.avast.com >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>>> <#m_-1947733767101341826_m_4870794073240116331_m_2206688088646600982_m_-9185265129092455911_m_-406384858432134963_m_6013307663315263621_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전 1:03, MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>님이 작성: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have noticed that at < >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Responsibilities_and_associated_Powers>, >>>>>>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council responsible for >>>>>>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is - the Board. >>>>>>> So >>>>>>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about which I am >>>>>>> surprised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first impression is that it would not change a lot, but it still >>>>>>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom processes. For now, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but I think it >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement about the >>>>>>> proposal >>>>>>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>>> *Anass SEDRATI* >>>>> *(+46) 70 508 51 07* >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to langcom-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > -- ----------------------------------------------------- *Anass SEDRATI* *(+46) 70 508 51 07*
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