The issue about security is that whoever creates this web server-based
application will be storing information about *minor children* (am I the
only one with this concern?) in a semi-public manner.  Most websites that
store information have some clause that says something like no one under 18
without a parent's permission may use this website.  Even Disney is
constantly saying "make sure you have your parent's permission...".  That's
a lame phrase, but it does show this issue is real.  Congress is, right now,
considering legislation to punish those websites who don't take 'sufficient
measures' to secure their website.  What are the ramifications of that?
Since that thought is extremely subjective, the risk one would be taking is
completely unknown.

The other issue is what value would a centralized database really offer?
For day-to-day usage, it would offer zero value.  If a scout moved wards, it
would allow his records to be transferred.  However, much of that is
maintained by BSA, anyway.  If local databases were used, then
'transferrable data objects' could be used to transfer information between
databases from the old ward to the new.

The reason that I proposed the non-centralized storage option is that not
that security is more or less, but because attacks on very small databases
yield very small rewards.  In contrast, attacks on highly-centralized
databases offer greater rewards for the attacker.  

Given all of this, if the rewards for a centralized database are minor, are
they really worth the potential risk?  I know it's 'cool' to build a web
app, but we need to consider non-technological issues, too.

The biggest problem with any tracking process is that the Scoutmasters are
usually quite lax about record keeping, in the first place.  If one or
several parents abstained from allowing their children's information to be
stored on a website, then it would create *2 processes* for the Scoutmaster
to use for record keeping -- if they were to use the online system.  Do you
think that they will use both?  Having been a Scoutmaster, I would say no.
That will cause the online system to suffer in favor of good ol' pencil and
paper.  IOW, in order to make an online database about kids, it must be
really, really secure.  My point is that you can't guarantee anything and is
it worth the risk...

Steve


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stacey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

>...  So why would someone take the time and effort it would take to 
>hack a well secured web site?

Take a look at some of the BlackHat/DefCon proceedings...  There are a
myriad of reasons...  the challenge, illegal activities, notoriety,
'helping' to 'increase' security, ...

> However, it doesn't matter how strong the encryption is people still use
very poor passwords.  ... Many of the passwords on Church systems are 
favorite scripture references and such.

An examination of password 'recovery' stats show that passwords in general
are a poor method of security, anyway.

>At least on a web based system who, and who tried to, access the data 
can be log and audited.   Ok, maybe not necessarily "who" but the last 
IP address they came from and filtering can be done.  

I don't mean to be rude, but .... are you kidding me???  Not likely.


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