Hi Mike,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:44 AM
> To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] 2.6.x kernel support?
>
>
To start:
I do apologise for what may have seem has a big bunch of hard words
even if they were not aimed at you.
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 15:51, Martin Hejl wrote:
> > In the end, I tend to agree with Luis. I'm not going to
> tell anybody
> > to stop discussing new possibilities - but discussion without the
> > ability/willingness to actually do more than just discuss things is
> > pretty much what I contribute to management these days (I
> spent a fair
> > share of my work time in meetings with people who discuss
> things they
> > neither know how to do, nor would they be willing to provide the
> > manpower to get it done - they just like discussing things). Maybe
> > that's why I'm very skeptical about the value of discussions all by
> > themselves. Discussing how to solve a problem at hand is perfectly
> > fine, and usually also very useful - but discussing things
> despite the
> > fact that every participant of the discussion has a
> different idea of
> > what the actual issue one might be discussing is something else...
>
> Martin,
> That excludes me from any comments regarding leaf
> development, and relegates me to irrelevance. I'm not a
> programmer, or knowledgeable compared to most of you. :-(
>
> Almost anyone can do the website, docbook, and mailing list stuff.
Your work for the community is invaluable, and not everyone has the
proper ability to keep the site up to it current standard of completeness
without a fair background of knowledge you have.
We all know all too well what your unfortunate accident did to your
sense of concentration. Don't dispair, we are all here to help in
every way we can.
Don't you even think of stepping aside!!! :) :) :)
>
> > Again, maybe I just see too much of that kind of thing in
> my day job,
> > and are therefore unable to see the honest attempt to find the best
> > technological solution for leaf. If that's the case, I sincerely
> > apologize for my cynicism/sarcasm.
Martin, my comment was somewhat derived from the same amount of bullshitness
I see every day in my day job, but of course applied to the LEAF context,
were there are no bullshiters, only reasonable people.
Anyway, my comments were not suppose to end all discussions, but merely to
stop them from affecting the current Bering-uClibc development, without
providing any real-world solutions.
You may know that the Bering-uClibc developer keep close contact with each
other by email, where all these discussions take place. I must apoligise
to the community for this fact, although no conversations we have
'in private' are trade secrets.
We just think better in a small room, without outside interfeerance to
create extra noise.
Nevertheless, our somewhat 'dominant' position inside the LEAF community,
does not give us the right to decide what way LEAF should turn!
For me personally, discussion is always great if someone discusses a bit,
goes back to his/her drawing board and presents a solution, like Nathan
has done with webconf. If you all remember well, a lot of fuss was created
over web-based configuration. After webconf was our, little to no comments
were made, as if noone had a point to argue anymore!
(i may not wave been very explicit with this comment, as English is not my
Native language)
>
> --
> Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
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>
Luis Correia
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