Hi Mike,

Mike Noyes wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 15:51, Martin Hejl wrote:
> 
>>In the end, I tend to agree with Luis. I'm not going to tell anybody to
>>stop discussing new possibilities - but discussion without the
>>ability/willingness to actually do more than just discuss things is
>>pretty much what I contribute to management these days (I spent a fair
>>share of my work time in meetings with people who discuss things they
>>neither know how to do, nor would they be willing to provide the
>>manpower to get it done - they just like discussing things). Maybe
>>that's why I'm very skeptical about the value of discussions all by
>>themselves. Discussing how to solve a problem at hand is perfectly fine,
>>and usually also very useful - but discussing things despite the fact
>>that every participant of the discussion has a different idea of what
>>the actual issue one might be discussing is something else...
> 
> 
> Martin,
> That excludes me from any comments regarding leaf development, and
> relegates me to irrelevance. I'm not a programmer, or knowledgeable
> compared to most of you. :-(
that surely wasn't the point I was trying to make - and I'm pretty sure
you know that. We all appreciate your work and input - leaf is a group
effort, not something that's done by a couple of coders.
People don't have to be programmers to be able to express their ideas on
leaf-devel, or pass some sort of a test or anything like that, and
that's a good thing.
I was merely trying to point out that discussions like that often
develop a life of their own and become disconnected from what's actually
happening on the development front.


>>Again, maybe I just see too much of that kind of thing in my day job,
>>and are therefore unable to see the honest attempt to find the best
>>technological solution for leaf. If that's the case, I sincerely
>>apologize for my cynicism/sarcasm.
> 
> 
> No need for you to apologize. You've contributed lots of time, effort,
> and code to LEAF. 
True, but people who write code can misunderstand something too, or read
too much into something.

Martin



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