In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:
>On Dec 7, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> ISO9000 certification only means that you have documented your
>> quality assurance process.  There is no requirement that your
>> documentation pertains to or results in a quality product.
>That was kind of my point, too.  We have standards bodies that don't
>promulgate their standards.  [...]

You need to look even further down the foodchain, starting from the bottom:

* First comes people who make buying decisions based on price.

* Then comes engineers who are only in it for the money.

* Then comes product managers cutting corners to push out a cheap product early.

* Then comes companies who only care about money

The kind of people who even care enough to think about participating
in standards writing, are leagues above those four by the simple
fact that they actually do care in the first place.

And as we all know from the standards we work with, even those people are pretty
underperforming to begin with.

In an ideal world, I would love to educate them all about the errors
of their ways, but I'm too old to seriously contemplate such a

Leapseconds are simply too technically tricky for the species we
are dealing with.  They are OK if confined to science labs, but out in
the real world where people think McDonalds food does not make you fat
leap seconds are just no feasible.

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