I agree - and I am hesitant to jump to the defence of the police as I got burned by believing their story with De Menezes.
However, I missed the initial reporting of this shooting and the only things I have heard are those things released by the IPCC enquiry, namely the shot that hit a police radio was not from Duggan but from a police weapon, and that they HAD recovered a weapon from next to Duggan, and this was a blank firing gun which had been modified to allow the firing of live rounds. I am not just repeating what the met police said, and to be fair I don't think they have actually said much anyway after the De Menezes debacle. Some might argue at the conclusion of the IPCC enquiry that, because Duggan didn't shoot first, he shouldn't have been shot, or killed. The problem is police have authority to shoot if they THINK life is at risk, so if Duggan was brandishing a gun the police have to assume it is live and he is prepared to use it. The fact (IPCC enquiry) a gun was found next to Duggan either means he was brandishing it, which would also explain why he was shot, or he was shot for no reason and the police happened to find the weapon concealed on him and then pulled it out and dropped it by him after. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 10 August 2011 13:35 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU... More techy advise To be fair in the aftermath of de meneses the 'facts' according to the met were that he ran and jumped the barrier. The CCTV footage of this mysteriously disappeared. Numerous witnesses at the inquest testified that he was walking calmly and used his oyster to get through the barrier before being shot several times in the head on the train. Obviously there will be an IPCC investigation, which we should wait for. The problem of course is that any criticism of the police could result in further violence. Any perceived cover up - ditto! It's interesting really. Sent from my iPhone On 10 Aug 2011, at 12:20, [email protected] wrote: >> Would you like a wager on whether he was brandishing a weapon? >> >> Information from said independent investigation is being released, >> they have said that no shot was fired by the bloke, they have also >> said the firearm was found next to him. >> >> Facts. > >> Would you like a wager on whether he was brandishing a weapon? >> >> Information from said independent investigation is being released, >> they have said that no shot was fired by the bloke, they have also >> said the firearm was found next to him. >> >> Facts. > > No of course I don't want to make a wager, my point was to wait for > the report before jumping to conclusions. > > The report isnt out yet and afaik the main witness (minicab driver) > hasn't been properly questioned (as of last night) > > If the guy waved a gun around in an agressive manner he runs the risk > of getting shot, but if it was concealled or was just visible then as > far as i am aware thats not a capital offence so it is very important > to know the facts. > > Of course I agree that outside of tottenham the looting had nothing to > do whether he was shot in self defense or not. Just a load of > scumbags taking advantage. No idea either if the all came from broken homes. > > I'm in France at the moment, now this is a place where they really > know how to riot! > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
