Not defending police over that nor was I going to get dragged in anymore but
you have to remember the days after 7/7.  Total paranoia of anyone with an
"eastern look about them".  getting on and off tubes was nervy.  People
moved carriages if obvious Muslims got on.  Silkh targeted by morons,
mistaken for Muslims,.Police must have been absolutely wired. Intelligence
coming in, false alarms etc... you can see how the officers involved may
have got it terribly wrong.  Doesn't excuse it but  it wasn't a calm
calculated act taken in a rational time.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Ian Murray
Sent: 10 August 2011 13:35
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU... More techy advise

To be fair in the aftermath of de meneses the 'facts' according to the met
were that he ran and jumped the barrier. The CCTV footage of this
mysteriously disappeared. Numerous witnesses at the inquest testified that
he was walking calmly and used his oyster to get through the barrier before
being shot several times in the head on the train. Obviously there will be
an IPCC investigation, which we should wait for.

The problem of course is that any criticism of the police could result in
further violence. Any perceived cover up - ditto!

It's interesting really.

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Aug 2011, at 12:20, [email protected] wrote:

>> Would you like a wager on whether he was brandishing a weapon?
>> 
>> Information from said independent investigation is being released, 
>> they have said that no shot was fired by the bloke, they have also 
>> said the firearm was found next to him.
>> 
>> Facts.
> 
>> Would you like a wager on whether he was brandishing a weapon?
>> 
>> Information from said independent investigation is being released, 
>> they have said that no shot was fired by the bloke, they have also 
>> said the firearm was found next to him.
>> 
>> Facts.
> 
> No of course I don't want to make a wager, my point was to wait for 
> the report before jumping to conclusions.
> 
> The report isnt out yet and afaik the main witness (minicab driver) 
> hasn't been properly questioned (as of last night)
> 
> If the guy waved a gun around in an agressive manner he runs the risk 
> of getting shot, but if it was concealled or was just visible then as 
> far as i am aware thats not a capital offence so it is very important 
> to know the facts.
> 
> Of course I agree that outside of tottenham the looting had nothing to 
> do whether he was shot in self defense or not.  Just a load of 
> scumbags taking advantage.  No idea either if the all came from broken
homes.
> 
> I'm in France at the moment, now this is a place where they really 
> know how to riot!
> 
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