He wasn't the reason they went down, it's because they lost their goals scorer Billy Paynter and he was a huge loss to them....
On 4 November 2011 17:44, Richard Walker <[email protected]> wrote: > Just remind me how Swindon did last season with the great man at the > helm ? > > Funny that he's left 2 clubs for more money ? or do you think it's > because they realise he's shit. > > From: David Bromley <[email protected]> > To: Richard Walker <[email protected]>; list leedslist < > [email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 13:32 > Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report > > > I meant the Jonathan Douglas that played most matches in the season > we reached the Championship playoffs,kept his place under Blackwell, > Wise and Grayson, and left (like Johnson and Kilkenny) because he > could earn more elsewhere. > In his first season at Swindon he was voted supporters' player of the > season and players' player of the season. But what would they know? > He then turned down a new contract at Swindon for more money at > Brentford who last time I looked were in league 1 not league 2 as you > imply-you need to keep up mate. > If we'd kept Douglas and played him at right back we would have saved > money and had a better defence in recent seasons. > > I dont know why you mention Collins but his weaknesses were obvious > when he was on loan and he should never have been made permanent. The > same mistake is being made now with Pugh. > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: Richard Walker > >To: David Bromley ; list leedslist > >Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:50 PM > >Subject: Re: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report > > > > > >It's a bit of a shame that even at 2-0 down and 10 men that you have > >to > start thinking about protecting your goal difference. What about Boro > when we went down to 10 men and were still the better team. We just > crumbled and it's my opinion that Grayson has lost it when it comes to > the defence and also in his belief that Danny Pugh is doing a job for him. > > > >Johnny Douglas - you're having a laugh mate. He couldn't read a > game or pass a ball. He ran around like a headless chicken not > actually contributing at all but giving the impression he was. He came > with premiership status , we soon realised he wasn't good enough for > the championship (but was an ever present) and then subsequently not > good enough for League One and now it appears that League 2 is challenging him. > He'll eventually end up where he belongs - non-league. > > > >and what about Neil Collins - he was solid and doing a job for us > >wasn't > he ? What a joke. > > > >From: David Bromley <[email protected]> > >To: list leedslist <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 12:18 > >Subject: [LU] Fw: Blackpool report > > > > > > > > > >> There were some favourable comments from an old pro posted > >> yesterday > regarding Jonathan Douglas. Whatever his other failings I agreed with > what was written and always thought he read the game well and saw things early. > By contrast Kisnorbo often seems to see things late and this happened > several times yesterday. > >> > >> A large number of Pugh's passes yesterday were hospital passes. > >> > >> I am surprised no-one has commented on the manager's tactics > >> yesterday > when Lees was sent off, we were 2 goals down to a team that had been > outplaying us from the off. > >> We weren't going to win so I wonder why Grayson didn't bring on > >> O'Brian > straight away to replace Lees and take off one of the forwards > (preferably Keogh who didn't get a kick or header all night) and try > to protect our goal difference. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phill Shields" < > [email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:50 PM > >> Subject: Re: [LU] Blackpool report > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> David, > >>> > >>> I usually agree with your reports but I take issue with your > >>> comment > about Kisnorbo looking like getting back to his best. Rachubka did > indeed have a mare but it really would be glossing over the cracks to > attribute this defeat soley down to him. For the 1st goal Connelly had > lots of time and lost possession. Next thing a free unchallenged shot > - where was the cover from the centre halves? > >>> > >>> The 2nd goal was a howler for the keeper and for the third I have > >>> no > idea what Kisnorbo was doing when Lua Lua waltzed through to have a > shot without anyone near him. The 4th goals was Connelly's fault for > not not getting tight in his reshuffled centre half role and Kisnorbo > was ball watching again for their 5th. > >>> > >>> As you say the game was over at 2:0 and I take your point about > >>> the > fans response at the end. The abuse and booing that Rachubka got from > the Kop was frankly a disgrace. Yes he had a mare and I doubt we will > see him again but I don't expect to hear Leeds "fans" treat one of > their own in that way. > >>> > >>> Last night's result falls squarely with one person, the manager. > >>> He > took two major gambles in close season. Resigning Kisnorbo and taking > on this keeper. Coventry was bad but he should have been dropped after > Posh away because he cost us both goals. Kisnorbo has gone, end of conversation. > >>> > >>> Howson has become invisible since talk of extending his contract > >>> began > and Clayton was totally ineffective last night. Not one player would > get above 5 for last night's performance and I was surprised we did > not start last night with the 11 that finished the games against > cardiff. Pugh is useless. > >>> > >>> We need a keeper for Sunday because after the 1st goal last night > >>> we > lost the plot. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Phill > >>> > >>> MOT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:50:43 +0000 > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: [LU] Blackpool report > >>>> > >>>> It can really be summed up in one word - Rachubka ! We had a > >>>> serious > talk on the way back with a few long time Leeds fans and we decided > that it was indeed the worst performance by a keeper in our lifetime. > The only ones that come close were Lukic v Arsenal (another 0 5 > defeat) and Day v Barnsley when we lost in our promotion season > (cannot remember exaclty what he did I just recall him being booed > when he took goal kicks at the end)After a slow start there came 2 > incidents which decided the game - their keeper spilled the ball and it fell to Kisnorbo who failed to score. > Soon after a regulation shot was parried by Rachubka and fell to Lua > Lua who tapped it home. What little confidence Rach had in himsef or > the fans had in him evaporated at that point.- this was illustrated > soon after when Rach spilled a simple gather and catch , it again fell > to a striker whose shot hit Lees - at the time I though Lees was > unlucky, but watching it again he deliberatley > >>>> handled it and stopped a certain goal , so straight red it was. > >>>> Rach > failed to save the pen but it was taken before Lees had left the pitch > and so had to be re-taken. A chance for Rach to redeem himself - if it > was he did not take it and the re taken kick again ended in the net. > Game over. We were all over the place after that and Blackpools slick > passing game tore us apart as we chased shadows for the rest of the > half. Things got even worse for Rachubka when he spilled yet another > shot and again it fell to the feet of the striker who tapped it home. > Half time came and a number of fans left. We wondered whether SG would > subject Rach to another 45 mins of hell or bring on the kid. He chose > to give Cairns a go and we saw the last of Rachubka for the night and > probably for ever. A decent enough keeper but whose confidence was > shot after his schoolboy error v Coventry - playing for Leeds just too > much for him ?Second half we really went for a bit and did > >>>> play with some pride and gave it a real go but it was never going > >>>> to > happen. Then with 15 or so minutes left a goal against the run of play > as Lua Lua lashed it past Cairns to make it 4 and a few minutes after > they cut through our tiring defence and it was 5. Cue anoither mass exodus of fans. > However those who did stay then did the team and themselves proud with > a rousing waccoe and other songs, totally drowning out the Blackpool > fans who looked on in stunned silence. > >>>> If only we could get behind the team that well at the start of > >>>> the > game.It is hard to look beyond Rachubka and his performance but on the > down side it was another blank for McCormack and I thought Keogh had > his worse game for us. On the up side Kisnorbo looked like he was > getting back to something like his old self and I thought Becchio > looked lively when he came on - he won a few headers and linked play > well.A very bad day at the office and only time will tell whether > there will be any long term consequences. I expect SG will get another > keeper on loan ( a lad on the bus said he had heard Lonergan himself > say he was 4 weeks away from a > return) We cannot start with Cairns and I really cannot see how > Rachubka can play for us again - a player who looked decent enough in > pre season but who fell apart when it counted > >>>> Dave > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leedslist mailing list > >>>> Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leedslist mailing list > >>> Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >>> > >>> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Leedslist mailing list > >Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > >PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ----- No virus found in this message. 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