Mark, you are a grade 1 knobhead. You've been quoting Lorimer this morning to 
help your argument ...nuff said .

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On 21 Jan 2012, at 10:32, "Mark Humphries" <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Go play with your willie you silly little boy.  You are proved wrong more
> times than anyone else in the history of this list.
> 
> http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/
> leeds_united_big_guns_will_not_be_leaving_whites_grayson_1_4167409
> 
> Asked if Howson's desire to move on pointed to a lack of ambition at Elland
> Road, Grayson said: "I don't think so. He sees what we're trying to do but
> it's a toss of a coin. How can you say who's going to get promoted
> definitely? We'd all come up with different answers.
> 
> "Jonny firmly believed that we could do it but it wasn't guaranteed. He's
> now got the guarantee that he's going to play X-amount of football in the
> Premier League. If Norwich survive and stay up - and there's a good chance
> they will - then he's got another crack at it
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Walker [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: 21 January 2012 10:24
> To: Mark Humphries
> Cc: <[email protected]>; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Midfielder upgrade part 2
> 
> What a twat!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 21 Jan 2012, at 10:10, "Mark Humphries" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> I never claim to know anything.  It is you who is claiming Bates is 
>> definitely underpaying our players, so prove it.
>> 
>> I am saying that it is unreasonable to expect ANY championship club, 
>> who do not have parachute payments OR a sugar daddy, to be able to 
>> compete with ANY contract offered by ANY premiership club.
>> 
>> More importantly, and you really need to understand this, I am also 
>> saying that it is unreasonable to expect the club to compete with ANY 
>> championship club who are in receipt of parachute payments, OR who have a
> sugar daddy.
>> 
>> Because of that, it is unreasonable to expect us to be paying high 
>> enough wages to convince our players, who apparently need convincing, 
>> we are "serious" about getting promoted, because that level of wages 
>> is unsustainable without parachute payments or a sugar daddy.
>> 
>> Regardless of where we rank in the championship in terms of ticket 
>> prices and gate receipts.
>> 
>> Let me rephrase for clarity, in my opinion it is entirely unreasonable 
>> to expect our wages (and transfer) budget, compared with other 
>> championship clubs, to be directly ranked alongside our ticket prices/gate
> receipts.
>> Because there are too many clubs who have artificially high 
>> wage/transfer budgets due to parachute payments or sugar daddies.
>> 
>> Because of that, it is unreasonable to expect us to be able to 
>> demonstrate ambition to players based simply on wages/transfer budget 
>> - BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER BE IN THE TOP 2, AND UNLIKELY TO BE IN THE TOP 
>> 6 based on that criteria.
>> 
>> I also don't believe, based on what HOWSON HIMSELF SAID that the size 
>> of the contract on offer had anything to do with him not signing a
> contract.
>> I also don't believe, based on what HOWSON HIMSELF SAID, that he 
>> perceived any lack of ambition to get promoted based on wages/transfers.
>> I also don't believe Bates is putting enough dosh into the club, but I 
>> don't believe it would make much material difference because there is 
>> no way we could compete with parachuted clubs anyhow.
>> 
>> That's all I have to say on the matter.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Cundell
>> Sent: 21 January 2012 09:51
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Midfielder upgrade part 2
>> 
>>> None of us know the salaries/packages either then or now.
>> 
>> But Mark, you don't usually need to know anything, you only have to 
>> think it.
>> 
>> 
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