I am really, really puzzled by the Clattenburg thing. A good time ago I was accused of sexual harassment at work - alarmingly by the autocratic company owner's daughter!!! Gulp. I had email evidence and an impartial witness to expose her stupidity/confusion/potentially disastrous allegations so It was cleared up very quickly. She didn't seem like a nutter to me, we just got on like normal workers......but she was apparently getting a shit annual review and thought it was a good way to take the focus off her! She later tried to apologise, but I didn't want to hear what she had to say.
Always makes me wonder when something like Clattenburg happens. What makes someone normally sane make such an allegation? What if I didn't have clear evidence, how long would it have dragged on for, what if it had been a bigger company with a dreaded HR department? Er Indoors was really unhappy just at the mention of it, even though it was sorted the same day. I'm convinced that the alleged in cases like these should be massively innocent until there's evidence (ie, not suspended, barely a mention of it in the press, no public statement by Chelsea etc) OR a hell of a lot of other indications that the person is racist. To be honest, way things are I think it's equally bad to be falsely accused of being a racist than to be a racist. From: David Nattan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 November 2012 14:11 To: dave walmsley Cc: leeds list Subject: Re: [LU] racist hysteria - Re: vile animals One of the problems is that people make a living out of it If you admit that a problem no longer exists then the need for the various paid bodies which exist to fight / cure the problem are no longer needed, so it is in their interests to claim that things are worse than they are. I think the Clatternburg thing is awful - as I understand it, the 3 other officials are all 'miked up' so that they hear every word that the referee utters, therefore surely the FA should have spoken to those 3 immediately and either clear him straightaway or tell the world what he said and is guilty of and then set up a hearing date for sentence. What is even stranger is that the Chelsea player who is the 'victim' of the comment did not hear it, and as far as I know, Chelsea have not said who it was who supposedly heard the comment Dave On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM, dave walmsley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I've not been to many matches in the last few years, most of my friends are white and I live a middle-class life. However, I live in a city, have lived through times when it was blindingly obvious that racism was a problem, and recent times when it seems to barely exist. I am staggered about claims that racism is on the rise - either in football or society in general. In fact, I just don't believe it. Obviously there are clear examples of racism. Certain areas like Burnley (or Bradford) that are not well integrated. I hear racist things from older people - often out of ignorance. But nowhere else. Not when I'm out, when I'm at work, when my kids have friends round, when I'm shopping/on the train/the bus etc....Isn't it just a 1950-1990 problem that's just dying out? It's unlikely you can beat out the racist attitudes of older people. That will die with them. Communities that are ridden with race hatred need specific social solutions to sort them out..... but surely there's little point in banging on about having quotas for interviewing black managers, going on some raging witch hunt to find anyone that's ever muttered something that may sound racist on a football pitch or hunting out some stupid occasional knobheads in the crowd. Setting up rival campaigns to "kick it out" etc? The number of racist incidents are so high profile that you know about them and therefore know how rare they are: Ron Atkinson, Suarez, Terry ........ that's three in 5+ years? And how often is there racist chanting? There's loads of foreign managers, loads of black players.... And black managers are starting to appear more often (and there's bound to be more in future with the number of black players these days). I don't get it, but really suspect it's like the mythical rise in knife crime of a few years back, the belief that it's not safe for kids to play out anymore etc etc And yet..... why are sane enough black people in football, like Rio Ferdinand, convinced there is a problem? Maybe I'm just well out of touch? Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:19:18 +0000 From: Ian Murray <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> To: David Nattan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> Cc: leeds list <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> Subject: Re: [LU] vile animals Message-ID: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All this hysteria over racism in the game lately is doing my head in. Honestly, when was the last time you heard any racist chanting at a game? _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
