If I recall correctly, the first person to make the formal complaint about Clattenburgs alleged comments was the head of the black solicitors organisation, the same chap who tried to start a black footballers association.
IMHO, positive discrimination is every bit as bad as discrimination and is one of the main reasons we will never be rid of racism. Andy C Sent from my iPad On 2 Nov 2012, at 15:09, dave walmsley <[email protected]> wrote: > I am really, really puzzled by the Clattenburg thing. > > A good time ago I was accused of sexual harassment at work - alarmingly by > the autocratic company owner's daughter!!! Gulp. > I had email evidence and an impartial witness to expose her > stupidity/confusion/potentially disastrous allegations so It was cleared up > very quickly. She didn't seem like a nutter to me, we just got on like normal > workers......but she was apparently getting a shit annual review and thought > it was a good way to take the focus off her! She later tried to apologise, > but I didn't want to hear what she had to say. > > Always makes me wonder when something like Clattenburg happens. What makes > someone normally sane make such an allegation? What if I didn't have clear > evidence, how long would it have dragged on for, what if it had been a bigger > company with a dreaded HR department? Er Indoors was really unhappy just at > the mention of it, even though it was sorted the same day. > > I'm convinced that the alleged in cases like these should be massively > innocent until there's evidence (ie, not suspended, barely a mention of it in > the press, no public statement by Chelsea etc) OR a hell of a lot of other > indications that the person is racist. To be honest, way things are I think > it's equally bad to be falsely accused of being a racist than to be a racist. > > > From: David Nattan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 November 2012 14:11 > To: dave walmsley > Cc: leeds list > Subject: Re: [LU] racist hysteria - Re: vile animals > > One of the problems is that people make a living out of it > If you admit that a problem no longer exists then the need for the various > paid bodies which exist to fight / cure the problem are no longer needed, so > it is in their interests to claim that things are worse than they are. > > I think the Clatternburg thing is awful - as I understand it, the 3 other > officials are all 'miked up' so that they hear every word that the referee > utters, therefore surely the FA should have spoken to those 3 immediately and > either clear him straightaway or tell the world what he said and is guilty of > and then set up a hearing date for sentence. > > What is even stranger is that the Chelsea player who is the 'victim' of the > comment did not hear it, and as far as I know, Chelsea have not said who it > was who supposedly heard the comment > > Dave > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM, dave walmsley > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I've not been to many matches in the last few years, most of my friends are > white and I live a middle-class life. > > However, I live in a city, have lived through times when it was blindingly > obvious that racism was a problem, and recent times when it seems to barely > exist. I am staggered about claims that racism is on the rise - either in > football or society in general. > > In fact, I just don't believe it. > > Obviously there are clear examples of racism. Certain areas like Burnley (or > Bradford) that are not well integrated. I hear racist things from older > people - often out of ignorance. But nowhere else. Not when I'm out, when > I'm at work, when my kids have friends round, when I'm shopping/on the > train/the bus etc....Isn't it just a 1950-1990 problem that's just dying out? > > It's unlikely you can beat out the racist attitudes of older people. That > will die with them. Communities that are ridden with race hatred need > specific social solutions to sort them out..... but surely there's little > point in banging on about having quotas for interviewing black managers, > going on some raging witch hunt to find anyone that's ever muttered something > that may sound racist on a football pitch or hunting out some stupid > occasional knobheads in the crowd. Setting up rival campaigns to "kick it > out" etc? > > The number of racist incidents are so high profile that you know about them > and therefore know how rare they are: Ron Atkinson, Suarez, Terry ........ > that's three in 5+ years? And how often is there racist chanting? There's > loads of foreign managers, loads of black players.... And black managers are > starting to appear more often (and there's bound to be more in future with > the number of black players these days). > > I don't get it, but really suspect it's like the mythical rise in knife crime > of a few years back, the belief that it's not safe for kids to play out > anymore etc etc > > And yet..... why are sane enough black people in football, like Rio > Ferdinand, convinced there is a problem? Maybe I'm just well out of touch? > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:19:18 +0000 > > From: Ian Murray > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > To: David Nattan > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > Cc: leeds list > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > Subject: Re: [LU] vile animals > > Message-ID: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > All this hysteria over racism in the game lately is doing my head in. > Honestly, when was the last time you heard any racist chanting at a game? > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
