Happy Birthday ! > On 25 Jan 2014, at 09:36, "Peter Castlehouse" <[email protected]> wrote: > > lol - it is... > but today is my birthday > Pierre the drunkard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ian Murray > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 8:21 PM > To: Eric B > Cc: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... > > It's tomorrow mate... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 25 Jan 2014, at 17:13, "Eric B" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> well bollocks to bollocks then! >> >> happy australia day all. >> >> Eric >> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:06 AM, N. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Agreed.... Just another example of how an ancient, positive symbol of >>> manliness and fertility has been usurped and corrupted by the evil >>> elements of society to a negative and insulting term and thus >>> prejudicial to all makes in possession of a pair. Utter disgrace, I >>> say. (insert smiley here) >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:Too much ambiguity in the >>> word 'bollocks' for me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 05:29, "Michael Gardiner" < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well OK... >>>> >>>> I guess that settles it.... >>>> >>>> MAG >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:44 PM, "Eric B" <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Your logical chain made no sense." Bollocks. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Michael Gardiner < >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> It is not, of course, what you said….that was my point, you got the >>> logical chain wrong. Your logical chain made no sense. >>>> >>>> As for PC -- that's funny. You're suggesting that pro-Jewish is PC. >>> What decade are you talking about? The 60s? Bremner was at Man U >>> then, right? >>>> >>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>> E-mail: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>>> any >>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >>> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >>> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >>> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >>> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >>> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >>> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >>> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> thats not what I said, but nevermind, you can call him an anti >>>> semite >>> and feel good about it cause its PC. good for you. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Your logic, Eric, is a bit….errrrrm, a bit in the nature of >>> through-the-looking-glass. Buddhist Symbol --> Nazi Symbol = >>> Dieudonne --> Anelka. So, the fact that we don't blame the Buddhists >>> for the Nazi atrocities would analogize to not blaming Dieudonne for >>> Anelka's actions. >>> And I don't blame Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. >>>> >>>> The analogy does NOT mean that we shouldn't attribute anti-semitism >>>> to >>> Anelka. >>>> >>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>> E-mail: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>>> any >>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >>> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >>> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >>> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >>> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >>> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >>> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >>> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has >>> since been tarnished by the nazis. >>>> Similar to the quenelle. >>>> >>>> So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being >>>> a >>> nazi symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for >>> the the quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. >>>> >>>> Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. >>>> That >>> is why I mentioned ancient roman laws. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't >>>> wear >>> that anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- >>> widely considered to be anti-semitic. >>>> >>>> Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's >>>> true >>> intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely >>> unlikely that he would state those true intentions. >>>> >>>> As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The >>>> Court >>> of Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made >>> in the CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. >>>> >>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>> E-mail: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>>> any >>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >>> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >>> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >>> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >>> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >>> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >>> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >>> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't >>>> mind >>> anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest otherwise." >>>> >>>> If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would >>>> have >>> to assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. >>> What are your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as >>> to judge another man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in >>> such a harsh way. >>>> >>>> I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in >>> use. Are those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? >>>> >>>> Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his >>>> real >>> intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just >>> guesswork, assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! >>>> >>>> You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. >>> Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through >>> centuries and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to >>> protect the individual from empty talk: >>>> >>>> Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat "Proof lies on him >>>> who >>> asserts, not on him who denies" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- >>>> though >>> the fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" >>> Dieudonne (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs >>> who tried to serve papers on him) who created it strongly suggests >>> that it was -- but it is absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic >>> now. Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't >>> mind anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest >>> otherwise. >>>> >>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>> E-mail: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>> om>> >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>>> any >>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >>> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >>> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >>> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >>> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >>> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >>> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >>> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:00 AM, [email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Leedslist digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: NONLU: bloody hell..... (Eric B) >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 >>>> From: Eric B <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Cc: leedslist <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com >>> <mailto:x%[email protected]>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>> >>>> it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way >>> initially. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? >>>> >>>> On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: >>>> >>>> The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one >>>> painted on your car and see what happens. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture >>>> and _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected]
John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
