Invasion day? Don't be a hippy Nige!! Yeah double demerits are shit - got hammered at Christmas time so not driving this weekend.
Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Jan 2014, at 17:30, "Nigel Goodman" <[email protected]> wrote: > > No your wrong double demerit points started yesterday so thats the start of > invasion day, but it does last till midnight Monday so Australia day runs for > 96 hours! > MOT >> On 25/01/2014, at 5:21 PM, Ian Murray wrote: >> >> It's tomorrow mate... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 25 Jan 2014, at 17:13, "Eric B" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> well bollocks to bollocks then! >>> >>> happy australia day all. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:06 AM, N. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Agreed.... Just another example of how an ancient, positive symbol of >>>> manliness and fertility has been usurped and corrupted by the evil elements >>>> of society to a negative and insulting term and thus prejudicial to all >>>> makes in possession of a pair. Utter disgrace, I say. (insert smiley here) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:Too much ambiguity in the >>>> word 'bollocks' for me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 05:29, "Michael Gardiner" < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well OK... >>>>> >>>>> I guess that settles it.... >>>>> >>>>> MAG >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:44 PM, "Eric B" <[email protected]<mailto: >>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Your logical chain made no sense." Bollocks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Michael Gardiner < >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> It is not, of course, what you said….that was my point, you got the >>>> logical chain wrong. Your logical chain made no sense. >>>>> >>>>> As for PC -- that's funny. You're suggesting that pro-Jewish is PC. >>>> What decade are you talking about? The 60s? Bremner was at Man U then, >>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>>> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any >>>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review >>>> by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or >>>> attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have >>>> received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately >>>> by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >>>> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >>>> other privilege. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> thats not what I said, but nevermind, you can call him an anti semite >>>> and feel good about it cause its PC. good for you. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> Your logic, Eric, is a bit….errrrrm, a bit in the nature of >>>> through-the-looking-glass. Buddhist Symbol --> Nazi Symbol = Dieudonne --> >>>> Anelka. So, the fact that we don't blame the Buddhists for the Nazi >>>> atrocities would analogize to not blaming Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. >>>> And I don't blame Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. >>>>> >>>>> The analogy does NOT mean that we shouldn't attribute anti-semitism to >>>> Anelka. >>>>> >>>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>>> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any >>>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review >>>> by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or >>>> attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have >>>> received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately >>>> by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >>>> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >>>> other privilege. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has >>>> since been tarnished by the nazis. >>>>> Similar to the quenelle. >>>>> >>>>> So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being a >>>> nazi symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for the >>>> the quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. >>>>> >>>>> Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. That >>>> is why I mentioned ancient roman laws. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't wear >>>> that anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- >>>> widely considered to be anti-semitic. >>>>> >>>>> Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's true >>>> intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely unlikely >>>> that he would state those true intentions. >>>>> >>>>> As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The Court >>>> of Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made in >>>> the CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. >>>>> >>>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>>> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any >>>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review >>>> by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or >>>> attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have >>>> received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately >>>> by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >>>> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >>>> other privilege. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind >>>> anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest >>>> otherwise." >>>>> >>>>> If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would have >>>> to assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. >>>> What are your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as to >>>> judge another man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in such a >>>> harsh way. >>>>> >>>>> I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in >>>> use. Are those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? >>>>> >>>>> Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his real >>>> intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just guesswork, >>>> assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! >>>>> >>>>> You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. >>>> Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through centuries >>>> and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to protect the >>>> individual from empty talk: >>>>> >>>>> Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat "Proof lies on him who >>>> asserts, not on him who denies" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- though >>>> the fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" Dieudonne >>>> (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs who tried to >>>> serve papers on him) who created it strongly suggests that it was -- but it >>>> is absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic now. Only those who are (a) >>>> ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind anti-semitism but don't want >>>> that label attached to them suggest otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> Michael A. Gardiner >>>>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>>>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>>>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>>>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>>>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>>>> E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> >>>>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any >>>> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review >>>> by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or >>>> attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have >>>> received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately >>>> by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any >>>> attachments, without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended >>>> transmission shall not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any >>>> other privilege. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:00 AM, [email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto: >>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of Leedslist digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: NONLU: bloody hell..... (Eric B) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 >>>>> From: Eric B <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Cc: leedslist <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com >>>> <mailto:x%[email protected]>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>>> >>>>> it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way >>>> initially. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? >>>>> >>>>> On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one >>>>> painted on your car and see what happens. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" <[email protected]<mailto: >>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture and >>>>> >>>>> Anelka said its an anti-establishment genture (hear hear Ian M.) however >>>>> >>>>> its been taken by others and over time turned into something else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I read some guy stating its an inverted nazi salute but wouldnt that be >>>>> >>>>> taking your left arm and put it down and backwards making you look like >>>> an >>>>> >>>>> arse. The quenelle is certainly not the opposite of a raise right arm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Damian Walsh <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm convinced that it is anti-semitic. Now - but probably not at the >>>> start. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> An example of the vacuum-effect you inevitably have when people are not >>>>> >>>>> allowed to have a rational debate about open sores on the body politic: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Statesman - I really feel unconfortable about the Israeli State's >>>> policies >>>>> >>>>> of occupation, repression and assasination >>>>> >>>>> Sophist - You evil anti-semitic bastid, to even think in those terms >>>> makes >>>>> >>>>> you a Nazi >>>>> >>>>> Statesman - I'll just keep quiet then and leave the ongoing debate to >>>>> >>>>> suicide bombers and their ilk >>>>> >>>>> Socrates - No one desires evil >>>>> >>>>> Sophist - K'off you Nazi Cnut, you will burn in hell like all those who >>>>> >>>>> don't accept my own vision of what is right and just >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Or, unfortunately, something very similar...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Damian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Joe Skinner < >>>>> >>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Forget about all the noise about whether the gesture is racist or not. An >>>>> >>>>> inverted Nazi salute is never a great idea (is the real one banned, like >>>>> >>>>> swastikas?). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He did in in 'support' of his 'mate', a comedian (who is variously at >>>>> >>>>> best/worst, a racist, anti-semite or anti-zionist) who was/is being >>>>> >>>>> banned >>>>> >>>>> for continual use of said gesture. 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