lol - it is... but today is my birthday Pierre the drunkard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 8:21 PM To: Eric B Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell.....
It's tomorrow mate... Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Jan 2014, at 17:13, "Eric B" <[email protected]> wrote: > > well bollocks to bollocks then! > > happy australia day all. > > Eric > > >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:06 AM, N. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Agreed.... Just another example of how an ancient, positive symbol of >> manliness and fertility has been usurped and corrupted by the evil >> elements of society to a negative and insulting term and thus >> prejudicial to all makes in possession of a pair. Utter disgrace, I >> say. (insert smiley here) >> >> >> >> Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:Too much ambiguity in the >> word 'bollocks' for me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 05:29, "Michael Gardiner" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Well OK... >>> >>> I guess that settles it.... >>> >>> MAG >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:44 PM, "Eric B" <[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> "Your logical chain made no sense." Bollocks. >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Michael Gardiner < >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> It is not, of course, what you said….that was my point, you got the >> logical chain wrong. Your logical chain made no sense. >>> >>> As for PC -- that's funny. You're suggesting that pro-Jewish is PC. >> What decade are you talking about? The 60s? Bremner was at Man U >> then, right? >>> >>> Michael A. Gardiner >>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>> E-mail: >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>> any >> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> thats not what I said, but nevermind, you can call him an anti >>> semite >> and feel good about it cause its PC. good for you. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Your logic, Eric, is a bit….errrrrm, a bit in the nature of >> through-the-looking-glass. Buddhist Symbol --> Nazi Symbol = >> Dieudonne --> Anelka. So, the fact that we don't blame the Buddhists >> for the Nazi atrocities would analogize to not blaming Dieudonne for >> Anelka's actions. >> And I don't blame Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. >>> >>> The analogy does NOT mean that we shouldn't attribute anti-semitism >>> to >> Anelka. >>> >>> Michael A. Gardiner >>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>> E-mail: >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>> any >> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has >> since been tarnished by the nazis. >>> Similar to the quenelle. >>> >>> So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being >>> a >> nazi symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for >> the the quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. >>> >>> Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. >>> That >> is why I mentioned ancient roman laws. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't >>> wear >> that anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- >> widely considered to be anti-semitic. >>> >>> Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's >>> true >> intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely >> unlikely that he would state those true intentions. >>> >>> As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The >>> Court >> of Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made >> in the CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. >>> >>> Michael A. Gardiner >>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>> E-mail: >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>> any >> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B <[email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't >>> mind >> anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest otherwise." >>> >>> If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would >>> have >> to assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. >> What are your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as >> to judge another man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in >> such a harsh way. >>> >>> I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in >> use. Are those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? >>> >>> Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his >>> real >> intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just >> guesswork, assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! >>> >>> You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. >> Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through >> centuries and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to >> protect the individual from empty talk: >>> >>> Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat "Proof lies on him >>> who >> asserts, not on him who denies" >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner < >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- >>> though >> the fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" >> Dieudonne (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs >> who tried to serve papers on him) who created it strongly suggests >> that it was -- but it is absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic >> now. Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't >> mind anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest >> otherwise. >>> >>> Michael A. Gardiner >>> LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER >>> 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 >>> San Diego, CA 92101 >>> Phone: 619.238.9800 >>> Fax: 619.814.3727 >>> E-mail: >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>> om>> >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including >>> any >> attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for >> review by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney >> client or attorney work product privileged and confidential >> information. If you have received this transmission in error, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete >> this e-mail, including any attachments, without reading or saving >> them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall not constitute >> waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:00 AM, [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Leedslist digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: NONLU: bloody hell..... (Eric B) >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 >>> From: Eric B <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Cc: leedslist <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com >> <mailto:x%[email protected]>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way >> initially. >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? >>> >>> On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: >>> >>> The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one >>> painted on your car and see what happens. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" <[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture >>> and >>> >>> Anelka said its an anti-establishment genture (hear hear Ian M.) >>> however >>> >>> its been taken by others and over time turned into something else. >>> >>> >>> I read some guy stating its an inverted nazi salute but wouldnt that >>> be >>> >>> taking your left arm and put it down and backwards making you look >>> like >> an >>> >>> arse. The quenelle is certainly not the opposite of a raise right arm. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Damian Walsh >>> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm convinced that it is anti-semitic. Now - but probably not at the >> start. >>> >>> >>> An example of the vacuum-effect you inevitably have when people are >>> not >>> >>> allowed to have a rational debate about open sores on the body politic: >>> >>> >>> Statesman - I really feel unconfortable about the Israeli State's >> policies >>> >>> of occupation, repression and assasination >>> >>> Sophist - You evil anti-semitic bastid, to even think in those terms >> makes >>> >>> you a Nazi >>> >>> Statesman - I'll just keep quiet then and leave the ongoing debate >>> to >>> >>> suicide bombers and their ilk >>> >>> Socrates - No one desires evil >>> >>> Sophist - K'off you Nazi Cnut, you will burn in hell like all those >>> who >>> >>> don't accept my own vision of what is right and just >>> >>> >>> Or, unfortunately, something very similar...... >>> >>> >>> Damian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Joe Skinner < >>> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>> > >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Forget about all the noise about whether the gesture is racist or >>> not. An >>> >>> inverted Nazi salute is never a great idea (is the real one banned, >>> like >>> >>> swastikas?). >>> >>> >>> He did in in 'support' of his 'mate', a comedian (who is variously >>> at >>> >>> best/worst, a racist, anti-semite or anti-zionist) who was/is being >>> >>> banned >>> >>> for continual use of said gesture. [How can you ban a comedian?] >>> >>> >>> Whether he thinks he's being anti-establishment for using it, he's a tit. >>> >>> >>> Anelka is an even bigger tit or at best, dim witted and a moron for >>> >>> thinking he'd get away with it or face no consequences. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> >>> Info and options: >>> >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> >>> Info and options: >>> >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> 28 Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> Rest in peace old lad >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> >>> End of Leedslist Digest, Vol 43, Issue 54 >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]> >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leedslist mailing list >>> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>> >>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>> Rest In Peace old lad >>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> Rest In Peace old lad >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >> >> John 'Grampa' Sykes >> Rest In Peace old lad >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
