Agreed.... Just another example of how an ancient, positive symbol of manliness and fertility has been usurped and corrupted by the evil elements of society to a negative and insulting term and thus prejudicial to all makes in possession of a pair. Utter disgrace, I say. (insert smiley here)
Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote:Too much ambiguity in the word 'bollocks' for me. Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jan 2014, at 05:29, "Michael Gardiner" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Well OK... > > I guess that settles it.... > > MAG > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:44 PM, "Eric B" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > "Your logical chain made no sense." Bollocks. > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Michael Gardiner > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > It is not, of course, what you said….that was my point, you got the logical > chain wrong. Your logical chain made no sense. > > As for PC -- that's funny. You're suggesting that pro-Jewish is PC. What > decade are you talking about? The 60s? Bremner was at Man U then, right? > > Michael A. Gardiner > LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by > return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, > without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall > not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Eric B > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > thats not what I said, but nevermind, you can call him an anti semite and > feel good about it cause its PC. good for you. > > Eric > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Gardiner > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Your logic, Eric, is a bit….errrrrm, a bit in the nature of > through-the-looking-glass. Buddhist Symbol --> Nazi Symbol = Dieudonne --> > Anelka. So, the fact that we don't blame the Buddhists for the Nazi > atrocities would analogize to not blaming Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. > And I don't blame Dieudonne for Anelka's actions. > > The analogy does NOT mean that we shouldn't attribute anti-semitism to Anelka. > > Michael A. Gardiner > LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by > return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, > without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall > not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Eric B > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > The point is that that Buddhism is represented by a symbol that has since > been tarnished by the nazis. > Similar to the quenelle. > > So long we dont hold Buddhism responsible for the swastika now being a nazi > symbol logic dictates that Anelka cannot be held responsible for the the > quenelle being a nazi symbol, for some, not for all. > > Never heard of the CoPO but I understand where you re coming from. That is > why I mentioned ancient roman laws. > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Michael Gardiner > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Last I heard, Eric, Buddha (a) wasn't anti-semitic and (b) didn't wear that > anti-semitism on his sleeve. Nor was he -- nor are Buddhists -- widely > considered to be anti-semitic. > > Anelka may (or may not) be uniquely qualified to speak to Anelka's true > intentions…but he is also in a position where it would be uniquely unlikely > that he would state those true intentions. > > As for the burden of proof being on me -- not on your life. The Court of > Public Opinion does not work that way. Once an accusation is made in the > CoPO the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accused. > > Michael A. Gardiner > LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by > return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, > without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall > not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Eric B > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > "Only those who are (a) ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind > anti-semitism but don't want that label attached to them suggest otherwise." > > If I was to disregard personal interpretations of a symbol I would have to > assume Buddhists are one or the other of the above that you mention. What are > your thoughts on that? Personally I wouldnt go that far as to judge another > man, without proof I might add, that I dont know in such a harsh way. > > I ve been around plenty of places in asia where the "swastika" is in use. Are > those that enter the temples with the symbol all nazi worshippers? > > Noone is better qualified than the idiot Anelka to know what his real > intentions were at the time he did what he did. The rest is just guesswork, > assumptions, opinions and whatever else. Hell, Im guessing too! > > You might want to call Anelka a liar but the burden of proof is on you. > Accusing others of this and that has been used and abused through centuries > and even as far back as roman time laws were in place to protect the > individual from empty talk: > > Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat "Proof lies on him who > asserts, not on him who denies" > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Michael Gardiner > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I don't know whether the quenelle was anti-semitic in origin -- though the > fact that it was the highly anti-semitic French "comedian" Dieudonne > (arrested today for firing a rubber bullet at two bailiffs who tried to serve > papers on him) who created it strongly suggests that it was -- but it is > absolutely clear that it is anti-semitic now. Only those who are (a) > ignorant, (b) in denial or (c) who don't mind anti-semitism but don't want > that label attached to them suggest otherwise. > > Michael A. Gardiner > LAW OFFICES OF MICHAEL A. GARDINER > 110 West “A” Street, Suite 950 > San Diego, CA 92101 > Phone: 619.238.9800 > Fax: 619.814.3727 > E-mail: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic mail transmission, including any > attachments, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for review > by the party to whom it is addressed. It may contain attorney client or > attorney work product privileged and confidential information. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by > return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including any attachments, > without reading or saving them in any manner. Unintended transmission shall > not constitute waiver of the attorney-client or any other privilege. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:00 AM, > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Leedslist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NONLU: bloody hell..... (Eric B) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:10:28 +1100 > From: Eric B <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: Nigel Goodman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: leedslist <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [LU] NONLU: bloody hell..... > Message-ID: > <CAEp-J1TExuuas252-XoaRryhM=x+dn9xzd_wdjqwcmmodw4...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:x%[email protected]>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > it runs both ways I read. I too thought it was the opposite way initially. > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Nigel Goodman > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Isn't the Buddhist one the other way round ? > > On 22/01/2014, at 8:15 AM, Ian Murray wrote: > > The swatstika was originally a symbol of Buddhism. Get a massive one > painted on your car and see what happens. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:02, "Eric B" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Cheers Damian. My points exactly. Both the "inventor" of the gesture and > > Anelka said its an anti-establishment genture (hear hear Ian M.) however > > its been taken by others and over time turned into something else. > > > I read some guy stating its an inverted nazi salute but wouldnt that be > > taking your left arm and put it down and backwards making you look like an > > arse. The quenelle is certainly not the opposite of a raise right arm. > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Damian Walsh > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I'm convinced that it is anti-semitic. Now - but probably not at the start. > > > An example of the vacuum-effect you inevitably have when people are not > > allowed to have a rational debate about open sores on the body politic: > > > Statesman - I really feel unconfortable about the Israeli State's policies > > of occupation, repression and assasination > > Sophist - You evil anti-semitic bastid, to even think in those terms makes > > you a Nazi > > Statesman - I'll just keep quiet then and leave the ongoing debate to > > suicide bombers and their ilk > > Socrates - No one desires evil > > Sophist - K'off you Nazi Cnut, you will burn in hell like all those who > > don't accept my own vision of what is right and just > > > Or, unfortunately, something very similar...... > > > Damian > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Joe Skinner < > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Forget about all the noise about whether the gesture is racist or not. An > > inverted Nazi salute is never a great idea (is the real one banned, like > > swastikas?). > > > He did in in 'support' of his 'mate', a comedian (who is variously at > > best/worst, a racist, anti-semite or anti-zionist) who was/is being > > banned > > for continual use of said gesture. [How can you ban a comedian?] > > > Whether he thinks he's being anti-establishment for using it, he's a tit. > > > Anelka is an even bigger tit or at best, dim witted and a moron for > > thinking he'd get away with it or face no consequences. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > > Rest In Peace old lad > > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > > Rest In Peace old lad > > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > _______________________________________________ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > > Rest In Peace old lad > > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > 28 Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > Rest in peace old lad > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > > End of Leedslist Digest, Vol 43, Issue 54 > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
