No, top 6 isn't successful. Winning trophies is successful. And anyway, my point is that clubs that regularly change managers (unless they have billionaire backers) in the modern era don't win trophies.
I'll see Cellino as a failure if he changes manager every 6 months and we're mid table in the championship in 2 years. -- > On 21 Jun 2014, at 00:04, Chris Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > > Manchester United, Liverpool, both in serious debt. You wouldn't call top 6 > premier league status successful? And if a club is bankrolled (name me one > club that isn't) then that doesn't count? It's all or nothing then - premier > league champions within two years or you'll view Cellino as a failure? You > must have become accustomed to disappointment! > > >> On 20 Jun 2014, at 21:53, Jim Moran <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> All rich clubs. Liverpool's successful period was a series of boot room boys >> and they all lasted years. Don't forget they've not won a league title for >> 24 years. Chelsea bankrolled. Man city bankrolled. Spurs? Fuck me. They've >> won fuck all in the modern era but the FA cup every 10-20 years. Celtic play >> in a 2 horse race league. Don't get any of your argument, sorry. >> >> -- >> >>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 21:36, Chris Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Do we? I think its true to say that the most successful manager in history >>> - Alex Ferguson, was in position for the longest time, but Chelsea? >>> Manchester City? Tottenham Hotspur, Glasgow Celtic, Liverpool. all >>> successful clubs, all change managers at the drop of a hat. The only reason >>> we think the recipe for success is longevity is Alec Ferguson and Arsene >>> Wenger, two remarkable coaches. To say that is the only way to success is >>> like saying the winner of the lottery is very rich therefore I'll play the >>> lottery every week until I win it. >>> >>> The fact is we don't really know what we're in for - we all agree that our >>> history of owners has been a slow descent into purgatory, starting with the >>> idiot that bought Thomas Brolin, Bill Fotherby. Since then its been >>> downhill all the way. Fact is today we're a mid table second division club >>> with no stadium and massive debts. Cellino has paid off many of those >>> debts, kept us alive in fact yet the dissenters still moan because he >>> hasn't bought back the stadium and Thorp Arch. Would you? Seriously? We are >>> losing money at a frightening rate. The owner has plugged the gaps, >>> steadied the ship and done it with speed. So far, so good. >>> >>> I don't know where this will end, but we have a wealthy owner with a >>> successful record in Italy, one of the leading football countries in the >>> world. It cannot possibly be worse than the nightmare pairing of Brian >>> McDermott and David Haigh. If those two had stayed at the helm, relegation >>> would be the least of our worries. And so many people wanting Gary >>> McAllister back - what exactly is it about his record as a coach that makes >>> anyone think he'd do a job for us? Legendary player yes. Manager? Bloody >>> useless. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 19:51, Jim Moran <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> We also know that unless you're able to buy the best players in the world, >>>> that sacking managers and coaches regularly never, ever, leads to success. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 19:30, Chris Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think Cellino has said on many occasions that he is employing a coach >>>>> not a manager. Yesterday the press bandied the term 'manager' about until >>>>> an exasperated Massimo said "Coach, Manager, Super Manager...what's the >>>>> difference..." thus delivering a headline on a plate. >>>>> >>>>> Rationally, I've had more than enough of the McDermotts and Warnocks of >>>>> this world. I'm absolutely with Cellino when he referred scathingly to >>>>> modern managers as "PR men, bullshitters" we've had enough of these >>>>> tossers surely? Both McDermott and Warnock were absolutely clueless, >>>>> Warnock was past his sell by date and McDermott was just a PR man. He >>>>> told us what we wanted to hear, no more, no less. >>>>> >>>>> Its going to be a bumpy ride I'm sure, but Massimo has provided hours of >>>>> entertainment so far, most notably at the expense of alleged fraudster >>>>> David Haigh. Frankly, even ignoring the allegations of theft surrounding >>>>> that resident of a Dubai jail, did anyone seriously think GFK or whatever >>>>> they called themselves were doing a good job? Proper Millionaires tend to >>>>> have ideas. Ours obviously knows something about football, he kept >>>>> Cagliari in the top division in Italy for years, right now I'd happily >>>>> take that. >>>>> >>>>> If Wackaday doesn't work out, he'll be history before he can blink. That >>>>> much about Cellino we know. >>>>> >>>>> Chris. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Wright >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leedslist mailing list >>>>> Info and options: >>>>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> John 'Grampa' Sykes >>>>> Rest In Peace old lad >>>>> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 >>>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
