I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that
are comfortable in midfield.
Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm surprised you can't see it.
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
<[email protected]> wrote:
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we
could have just got an equaliser .......got the crowd on our side...........who
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this
about Foden.........he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <[email protected]>
wrote:
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager
Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the proper
player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all knew and
understood
Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of the
season? thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our '
record's is now
Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
<[email protected]> wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
<[email protected]> wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.............Derby and Chelsea are both in
> serious shit!
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM [email protected] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
>> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
>> their keeper…
>>
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
>> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
>> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
>> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
>> become inured.
>>
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
>> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
>> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
>> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
>> the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
>> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
>> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
>> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
>> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
>> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
>> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
>> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
>> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
>> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
>>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
>> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players
>> playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can
>> see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he
>> had a specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper
>> whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was
>> actually playing in an advanced role at times and actually had one of our
>> best chances second half. In a true central defender playing in midfield
>> style he blasted into the safe seating rail section (whatever the feck that
>> is !?).
>>> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling
>> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when
>> we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German
>> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international
>> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence
>> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
>>> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
>> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been
>> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on
>> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
>>> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we
>> haven't got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in
>> January to meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play
>> central midfield which is where he found himself.
>>> My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years
>> are over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it
>> right in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and
>> playing the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
>>> We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game. THe
>> crowd were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at half-time
>> were the loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half rallying after the
>> initial promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel.
>>> It's going to be hard.
>>> scores:
>>> Miesler - 7. Some decent saves to keep us in it first half
>>> Dallas - 4. Really struggled at right back
>>> Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster. Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always
>> fouling and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend. He's
>> njured now and I think that's the best for the team. We have missed
>> Allioski this season. I'dtry to get him back but then again Marsch would
>> probably play him in central midfield.
>>> Sruijk - 3. Passsing poor, defending poor. Has been poor for a few games
>> now.
>>>
>>> Ayling - 5. At least he put some tackles in and tried to push forward
>> but he's no central defender
>>> Forshaw - 4. That was his worst game for Leeds
>>> Koch - 2 Awful / out of position
>>> Raphinha - 6. Our best player on the night
>>> Rodrigo - 0. Bloody rubbish - gave the ball away everytime he got it.
>> What a disaster he has been and I really liked the look of him last season
>> at times
>>> Harrison - 1. Not much better than Rodrigo
>>> James - 4. Lots of effort but not effective. Another player , playing
>> out of position
>>>
>>> Subs:
>>> Joffy - 5. Tried but I'm going to say this lad is not ready for the
>> first team yet
>>> Klich - 0 nothing
>>> Bamford - 5.
>>> Happy Friday All. FFS !
>>>
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