Michael,
It's hard to argue with any of that.
Cheers!
Sean
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From: Michael Benjamin <m...@myray.com>
To: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>; nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com>;
Robert Heath <heathpalai...@gmail.com>
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced
that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the
same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid
relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team
playing dreadful football.
At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure.
When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine
tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for
the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we
should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None of
this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove
that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division,
which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international
thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football
teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be
out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing like
it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the
Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.
Dr Michael Benjamin,
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From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of Richard Walker via
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Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
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Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that
are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm
surprised you can't see it.
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
<heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we
could have just got an equaliser .......got the crowd on our side...........who
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this
about Foden.........he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
wrote:
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times
but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of
playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is
it more than 44 days to the end of the season? thinking Clough after he
replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
<leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
<leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath <heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.............Derby and Chelsea are both
> in serious shit!
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball
>> from Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in
>> sight but their keeper…
>>
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on
>> to the first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching
>> the first 5 or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering
>> about something brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what
>> it was like before and become inured.
>>
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt
>>> it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is
>> the worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a
>> difficult job but when it was said that he is the ideal person to
>> replace Bielsa because he plays the same pressing, attacking style
>> nothing could be further from the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing
>>> the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings
>> with overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and
>> we're left with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not
>> knowing what to do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've
>> seen us since the Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad
>> defeats under Bielsa recently but in those games we kept going and
>> still created chances. We didn't create anything that troubled their
>> keeper last night. The crowd got on the backs of the players and when
>> their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo Bielsa echoed around the ground
>> and then a large number of fans actually left. The ground was half empty by
>> the final whistle.
>>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
>> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with
>> players playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All
>> the fans can see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same
>> although I'd argue he had a specific role ('the Philips') role which
>> is more of a sweeper whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully
>> fledged midfielder who was actually playing in an advanced role at
>> times and actually had one of our best chances second half. In a true
>> central defender playing in midfield style he blasted into the safe
>> seating rail section (whatever the feck that is !?).
>>> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that
>>> Ayling
>> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only
>> when we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've
>> got a German international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish
>> international defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back,
>> Koch to central defence and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious
>> ?
>>> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but
>>> against
>> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have
>> been more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was
>> skinned badly on one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ...
>> yet
>>> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we
>> haven't got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get
>> players in January to meet his tactics. There's little point in
>> asking Raph to play central midfield which is where he found himself.
>>> My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa
>>> years
>> are over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will
>> get it right in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team
>> around and playing the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
>>> We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game.
>>> THe
>> crowd were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at
>> half-time were the loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half
>> rallying after the initial promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel.
>>> It's going to be hard.
>>> scores:
>>> Miesler - 7. Some decent saves to keep us in it first half Dallas -
>>> 4. Really struggled at right back Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster.
>>> Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always
>> fouling and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend.
>> He's njured now and I think that's the best for the team. We have
>> missed Allioski this season. I'dtry to get him back but then again
>> Marsch would probably play him in central midfield.
>>> Sruijk - 3. Passsing poor, defending poor. Has been poor for a few
>>> games
>> now.
>>>
>>> Ayling - 5. At least he put some tackles in and tried to push
>>> forward
>> but he's no central defender
>>> Forshaw - 4. That was his worst game for Leeds Koch - 2 Awful / out
>>> of position Raphinha - 6. Our best player on the night Rodrigo - 0.
>>> Bloody rubbish - gave the ball away everytime he got it.
>> What a disaster he has been and I really liked the look of him last
>> season at times
>>> Harrison - 1. Not much better than Rodrigo James - 4. Lots of effort
>>> but not effective. Another player , playing
>> out of position
>>>
>>> Subs:
>>> Joffy - 5. Tried but I'm going to say this lad is not ready for the
>> first team yet
>>> Klich - 0 nothing
>>> Bamford - 5.
>>> Happy Friday All. FFS !
>>>
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