So there we are. Another game week done and we’ve gained a point on Leicester.
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 19:14, John Lee via Leedslist <[email protected]> wrote: > Well given what’s going on now in the Middle East, thank god someone left > the list :-) > > I’m pretty much on Paul’s wavelength, but I would like to have a beer with > Farke one night so he can explain the thinking in spending most of a half > with the ball going between Meslier/Rodon/Ampadu? By all means try and drag > a defensive team out, spread the game etc, but it is, at times, overly > cautious imho? I think we have the offensive capabilities to beat anyone in > this league - if we don’t see it through and go up, I think it’s fair > enough to wonder ‘what if’? > > But, we are 2nd in the league, have been on a brilliant run, and Farke has > worked wonders in a club synonymous with chaos, and 50,000 managers! > > Here’s hoping Watford play as well against Ipswich as they did against us! > > I hope someone at the season’s end can turn around and say ‘what were you > bloody worried about? :-) > > > > > On 10 Apr 2024, at 18:27, Robert Heath <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ooooh! A list war! > > > > We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long! > > > >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:41 PM Paul Cundell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> What an utter rewriting of history! > >> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under > >> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a > man > >> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 > games. > >> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention > Jesse > >> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs! > >> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have > to > >> then. > >> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if > we > >> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being > >> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, > in > >> case you can't remember. > >> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but > what we > >> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod. > >> Cheer up and enjoy the ride. > >> Paul > >> > >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 [email protected], <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Paul, > >>> > >>> None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a > >>> weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to > >> sell > >>> if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the > >>> second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down > who > >>> have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, > >> but > >>> being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an > >>> autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.") > >>> > >>> Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from > some > >>> other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for > Leeds > >>> United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier > >> League > >>> - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or > finish > >>> in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I > >>> remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after > >>> watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach > about > >>> how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little > >> did > >>> I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory > or > >>> nothing. > >>> > >>> Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed > >>> with a terrific squad. > >>> > >>> To the folks who replied to my email: > >>> > >>> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection? > >>> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right > >> yesterday? > >>> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every > time > >>> before we attacked them? > >>> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and > Rodon, > >>> and then watch them pass between themselves? > >>> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than > >> the > >>> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks? > >>> > >>> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can > only > >>> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked. > >>> > >>> Cheers! > >>> > >>> Sean > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Have you been watching the same season as me? > >>> "One long slow motion car crash"? > >>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year. > >>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded > that. > >>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch. > >>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August. > >>> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team > >>> could end up on over 100 points. > >>> SMFH. > >>> Marching On TOGETHER! > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager > >> in > >>>> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the > >>> most > >>>> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest > >>> winger > >>>> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during > >>>> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to > >>>> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and > >>> again > >>>> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the > >>> opportunity > >>>> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth > >>>> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves > >> set > >>>> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening. > >>>> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and > >>>> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical > >>>> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the > >>>> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of > >>>> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders > >>> were > >>>> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, > >> who > >>>> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather > >> than > >>>> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire > >> evident. > >>>> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to > >> delay > >>>> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was > >> he > >>>> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, > >>> and > >>>> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a > >>>> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime > or > >>>> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke > >> going > >>>> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of > >>>> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge > >>> that > >>>> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start > >> of > >>>> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. > >> And > >>>> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday > >>> being > >>>> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this > >>>> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being > >> scouted > >>> by > >>>> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's > >>>> second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment. > >>>> This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends > >>> and > >>>> family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the > >>>> playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable > >>>> outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United. > >>>> Cheers! > >>>> Sean > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the > >> ball. > >>> A > >>>> mild grinding of teeth will have to do :) > >>>> > >>>> If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to > >> provoke > >>>> something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time. > >>>> > >>>> However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into > >> each > >>>> other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was > >>>> indeed annoying. > >>>> > >>>> As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"? > >>>> Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely > >>>> ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them > >> an > >>>> extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd > half > >>>> stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never > >> came. > >>>> It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch > >>> them > >>>> do something"... > >>>> > >>>> Damian > >>>> > >>>> Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist < > >>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>> a écrit : > >>>> > >>>>> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a > >> pretty > >>>>> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, > >>> and > >>>>> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really > >>>>> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant > >>>> losing > >>>>> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last > >>>> night. I > >>>>> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite > >>> that > >>>>> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really > >>>> looked > >>>>> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside > >>> from a > >>>>> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a > >>> Leeds > >>>>> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a > >> high > >>>> and > >>>>> bag a couple soon. > >>>>> > >>>>> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - > >>>> avoiding > >>>>> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the > >>> back > >>>>> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, > >>> but > >>>> to > >>>>> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a > >>>>> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for? > >>>>> > >>>>> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we > >>> go. > >>>>> > >>>>> I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the > >>>> play-offs > >>>>> are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a > >>>> great > >>>>> season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put > >>>>> Blackburn away on Satdi! > >>>>> > >>>>> MOT > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, [email protected] wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in > >> the > >>>>> starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and > >> possibly > >>>>> Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to > >>> the > >>>>> loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less > >>> movement > >>>>> for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All > >> the > >>>>> things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad players > >>> all > >>>>> of a sudden. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games > >>> to > >>>>> go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one > >> of > >>>>> them will do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Onto Saturday then. We can still do this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nick > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leedslist mailing list > >>>>>> Info and options: > >>>> https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leedslist mailing list > >>>>> Info and options: > >>> https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >>>>> To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! 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