Du calme, du calme.... I've got a cigarette paper but I don't think that I can get it between any of us - even if you're all (me included) saying wildly different things.
To answer Sean: "- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?- Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and then watch them pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than the right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?" No I (we!) don't, but I'm sure that DF was more frightened about losing than about not winning and any money he sent his team out with that in mind. Frustrating though it is (and watch DF shouting at the spare ref at the end...) you can surely understand that. Let's just hope that DF realises that faint hearts never won fair maidens and that he also knows that success as a Leeds manager is binary. To be honest, there'll be a big question mark against him if we don't go up as Champions even if we're 2nd or we win the play offs. I think that DF has been brilliant, and I love this team. I want them to succeed and I think they will. But Sean's prognosis of a missed promotion is spot on and we've got to accept that we're not all as optimistic as me :) Damian Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 17:40, Paul Cundell <[email protected]> a écrit : > What an utter rewriting of history! > We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under > Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man > have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games. > You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse > "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs! > You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to > then. > Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we > have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being > third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in > case you can't remember. > We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we > can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod. > Cheer up and enjoy the ride. > Paul > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a > > weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to > sell > > if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the > > second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who > > have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, > but > > being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an > > autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.") > > > > Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some > > other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds > > United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier > League > > - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish > > in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I > > remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after > > watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about > > how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little > did > > I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or > > nothing. > > > > Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed > > with a terrific squad. > > > > To the folks who replied to my email: > > > > - Did you agree with Farke's team selection? > > - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right > yesterday? > > - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time > > before we attacked them? > > - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, > > and then watch them pass between themselves? > > - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than > the > > right for the vast majority of attempted attacks? > > > > If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only > > imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Sean > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Have you been watching the same season as me? > > "One long slow motion car crash"? > > We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year. > > We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that. > > A car crash was Jesse Marsch. > > A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August. > > This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team > > could end up on over 100 points. > > SMFH. > > Marching On TOGETHER! > > Paul > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager > in > > > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the > > most > > > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest > > winger > > > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during > > > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to > > > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and > > again > > > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the > > opportunity > > > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth > > > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves > set > > > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening. > > > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and > > > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical > > > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the > > > terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of > > > defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders > > were > > > still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, > who > > > would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather > than > > > trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire > evident. > > > And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to > delay > > > bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was > he > > > thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, > > and > > > we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a > > > collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or > > > shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke > going > > > up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of > > > managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge > > that > > > the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start > of > > > the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. > And > > > of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday > > being > > > exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this > > > level, packed with current internationals and young talent being > scouted > > by > > > the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's > > > second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment. > > > This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends > > and > > > family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the > > > playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable > > > outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United. > > > Cheers! > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the > ball. > > A > > > mild grinding of teeth will have to do :) > > > > > > If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to > provoke > > > something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time. > > > > > > However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into > each > > > other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was > > > indeed annoying. > > > > > > As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"? > > > Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely > > > ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them > an > > > extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half > > > stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never > came. > > > It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch > > them > > > do something"... > > > > > > Damian > > > > > > Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > a écrit : > > > > > > > I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a > pretty > > > > under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, > > and > > > > have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really > > > > ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant > > > losing > > > > the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last > > > night. I > > > > actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite > > that > > > > Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really > > > looked > > > > like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside > > from a > > > > rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a > > Leeds > > > > player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a > high > > > and > > > > bag a couple soon. > > > > > > > > I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - > > > avoiding > > > > expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the > > back > > > > and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, > > but > > > to > > > > give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a > > > > partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for? > > > > > > > > That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we > > go. > > > > > > > > I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the > > > play-offs > > > > are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a > > > great > > > > season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put > > > > Blackburn away on Satdi! > > > > > > > > MOT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday. > > > > > > > > > > Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon > > > > > > > > > > My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in > the > > > > starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and > possibly > > > > Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to > > the > > > > loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less > > movement > > > > for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All > the > > > > things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad players > > all > > > > of a sudden. > > > > > > > > > > Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu > > > > > > > > > > A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning. > > > > > > > > > > Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu > > > > > > > > > > Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games > > to > > > > go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle. > > > > > > > > > > We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one > of > > > > them will do. > > > > > > > > > > Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon > > > > > > > > > > Onto Saturday then. We can still do this. > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Leedslist mailing list > > > > > Info and options: > > > https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > > > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > > > > > > > > > Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Leedslist mailing list > > > > Info and options: > > https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > > > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > > > > > > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > > > > > > > Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! 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