I agree Dave. I’m usually critical but I don’t think you can find fault overall with DF this season. I too was expecting a miserable season but it’s been the best one since Bielsa. I think generally he doesn’t like to make early subs . I heard an interview with him where he said one of the ways he felt he’d improved as a coach was not making rushed decisions, like changing things too early. I’m not convinced by the wisdom of playing an out of form Bamford, or playing some really jaded looking players but it’s this strategy that’s got us where we are. Personally I’d start Piroe for Rutter, Gnonto for James and Joseph for Bamford but I’d be very surprised if he makes that many changes. Still all to play for and Ipswich and Leicester are feeling the pressure too.
S Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Leedslist <[email protected]> on behalf of nattan--- via Leedslist <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 4:30:25 PM To: leeds list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LU] Sunderland 2 things can be true at the same time.DF is a proven manager at this level, he has turned around a sinking ship, and given us a season miles better than we could have foreseen or even hoped. I have just won a few quid ( for charity) off my match going son since he bet me in August that we would not finish top 6 ( play offs at least) and , largely down to DF we achieved it with 6 games to go .At the same time we were awful on Tuesday, he may have got his team selection wrong , perservering with Bamford ( and i am a big fan of his) who is in a slump instead of giving Piroe or Josep a start. Whatever the arguments there, i think the vast majority think he should have made a number of subs a lot earlier and he should have had the players showing more urgency in getting the ball forward. We did not manage a shot on target all game at home v a lower middle team with nothing at stake, and that was no where near good enough .Of course being given ( and scoring) a nailed on pen or getting a goal in the ( what should have been ) 5th or 6th minute of time added on would have given everything a different complexion. But we didn't and we dropped 2 points. So we are entitled to criiticise ( on here - i hated hearing boos in the stadium at the end) and say that DF got it wrong Hopefully we will put things right over the next 4 games and Tuesday will be consigned to the bin and thought of the same as Barnsley under Wilko or Wigan (2nd time) under Bielsa , a bad day that counted for nothing in the end Dave On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:43:59 BST, Andy Clayton <[email protected]> wrote: I'm firmly in Paul's camp on this one. Did any of you seriously in preseason or while the transfer window was open expect that we'd do as well as we have so far? I certainly didn't! I was expecting a season of rebuilding and was hopeful of the play offs at a push. Considering the turmoil around the takeover, the delay in appointing Farke, the mess that Orta/Radz had left behind, the exodus of (our best?) players wanting to leave, or worse still, actually leaving,........do I need go on? How many of us are glad that Georginio was/was made to look crap at the end of last season. If he'd ended last season like he played at the back end of last year, I'm sure he'd have been snapped up too. In Farke I trust. This is his team, he sees them every day, he knows them inside out, their fitness level, what's going on at home (how many have recently become fathers? Broken sleep much?), their mental state etc. If he decides to play or not play anyone, then I trust in the bigger picture. He knows what he's doing. We don't - at least I don't think any of us are successful Football Managers? It's not like he's won promotion to the premiership twice now, is it? I mean..... Marching on Together Andy C On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 22:29, Damian WALSH <[email protected]> wrote: > Du calme, du calme.... > > I've got a cigarette paper but I don't think that I can get it between any > of us - even if you're all (me included) saying wildly different things. > > To answer Sean: > "- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think > Farke got the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the > way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?- > Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and > then watch them pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring > of playing down the left rather than the right for the vast majority of > attempted attacks?" > > No I (we!) don't, but I'm sure that DF was more frightened about losing > than about not winning and any money he sent his team out with that in > mind. Frustrating though it is (and watch DF shouting at the spare ref at > the end...) you can surely understand that. Let's just hope that DF > realises that faint hearts never won fair maidens and that he also knows > that success as a Leeds manager is binary. To be honest, there'll be a big > question mark against him if we don't go up as Champions even if we're 2nd > or we win the play offs. > > I think that DF has been brilliant, and I love this team. I want them to > succeed and I think they will. But Sean's prognosis of a missed promotion > is spot on and we've got to accept that we're not all as optimistic as me > :) > > Damian > > Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 17:40, Paul Cundell <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > What an utter rewriting of history! > > We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under > > Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man > > have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 > games. > > You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse > > "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs! > > You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to > > then. > > Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we > > have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being > > third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, > in > > case you can't remember. > > We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what > we > > can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod. > > Cheer up and enjoy the ride. > > Paul > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 [email protected], <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a > > > weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to > > sell > > > if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the > > > second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down > who > > > have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, > > but > > > being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an > > > autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.") > > > > > > Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from > some > > > other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for > Leeds > > > United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier > > League > > > - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or > finish > > > in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I > > > remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after > > > watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach > about > > > how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little > > did > > > I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory > or > > > nothing. > > > > > > Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed > > > with a terrific squad. > > > > > > To the folks who replied to my email: > > > > > > - Did you agree with Farke's team selection? > > > - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right > > yesterday? > > > - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every > time > > > before we attacked them? > > > - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and > Rodon, > > > and then watch them pass between themselves? > > > - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than > > the > > > right for the vast majority of attempted attacks? > > > > > > If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can > only > > > imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Have you been watching the same season as me? > > > "One long slow motion car crash"? > > > We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year. > > > We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded > that. > > > A car crash was Jesse Marsch. > > > A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August. > > > This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team > > > could end up on over 100 points. > > > SMFH. > > > Marching On TOGETHER! > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds > manager > > in > > > > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of > the > > > most > > > > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest > > > winger > > > > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during > > > > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, > to > > > > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and > > > again > > > > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the > > > opportunity > > > > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and > forth > > > > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves > > set > > > > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening. > > > > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and > > > > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole > tactical > > > > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all > the > > > > terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out > of > > > > defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and > midfielders > > > were > > > > still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, > > who > > > > would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather > > than > > > > trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire > > evident. > > > > And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to > > delay > > > > bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was > > he > > > > thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and > uninterested, > > > and > > > > we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a > > > > collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime > or > > > > shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke > > going > > > > up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of > > > > managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I > acknowledge > > > that > > > > the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the > start > > of > > > > the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. > > And > > > > of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday > > > being > > > > exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at > this > > > > level, packed with current internationals and young talent being > > scouted > > > by > > > > the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's > > > > second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment. > > > > This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my > friends > > > and > > > > family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in > the > > > > playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable > > > > outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the > > ball. > > > A > > > > mild grinding of teeth will have to do :) > > > > > > > > If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to > > provoke > > > > something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every > time. > > > > > > > > However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into > > each > > > > other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was > > > > indeed annoying. > > > > > > > > As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"? > > > > Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely > > > > ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave > them > > an > > > > extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd > half > > > > stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never > > came. > > > > It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch > > > them > > > > do something"... > > > > > > > > Damian > > > > > > > > Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > a écrit : > > > > > > > > > I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a > > pretty > > > > > under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look > knackered, > > > and > > > > > have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some > really > > > > > ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their > constant > > > > losing > > > > > the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last > > > > night. I > > > > > actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, > despite > > > that > > > > > Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never > really > > > > looked > > > > > like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside > > > from a > > > > > rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a > > > Leeds > > > > > player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a > > high > > > > and > > > > > bag a couple soon. > > > > > > > > > > I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - > > > > avoiding > > > > > expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the > > > back > > > > > and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we > tried, > > > but > > > > to > > > > > give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a > > > > > partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for? > > > > > > > > > > That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on > we > > > go. > > > > > > > > > > I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the > > > > play-offs > > > > > are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been > a > > > > great > > > > > season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and > put > > > > > Blackburn away on Satdi! > > > > > > > > > > MOT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon > > > > > > > > > > > > My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in > > the > > > > > starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and > > possibly > > > > > Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower > to > > > the > > > > > loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less > > > movement > > > > > for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All > > the > > > > > things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad > players > > > all > > > > > of a sudden. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu > > > > > > > > > > > > A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s > reckoning. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu > > > > > > > > > > > > Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four > games > > > to > > > > > go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle. > > > > > > > > > > > > We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just > one > > of > > > > > them will do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon > > > > > > > > > > > > Onto Saturday then. 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