A few comments back: 1. The title of the website is in italics, which you can't see here because of the Plain Text e-mail format. 2. Including the stamped page number is a good idea. I'll have to experiment with the templates to see which provide the best way to do this. I suppose the easiest is simply to add it to the "Item of interest" line. I, of course, would manually have to add the commas, etc. (unlike the census template which does this for you). 3. The Mount Hope Cemetery Office (essentially anything I put after that semi-colon) is my attempt to properly credit the original source, as recommended by Mills (also demonstrated in the census template which cites a NARA microfilm roll). The U of R didn't create the cemtery records, the cemetery did. 4. As with the census, the "index" (or database if you prefer) is only the means to the original interrment records. It is the original interrment records from which I am gathering my information. There is nothing transcribed, nothing copied. They are a digital image of the actual record. The "index" is really more like a table of contents -- enter "Or 1947" to go straight to the digial image of the "Or" page within the particular book that covers 1947 (well sort of). It's really only step away from perusing the actual books themselves.
I think I found the answer in Mills' book, under the Local & State Records chapter (p. 439): "When you cite a digital image of a record, you are citing the record—albeit in surrogate form. With [cemetery] records, you may cite that digital image in the same manner you would the original. Then, in place of the repository's name, you append the identification of the web publication, including the details outlined at 2.33. §2.34 (p.58) adds clarity to the database v. image debate: "Web providers ... offer digital material in three forms: (a) images of orignal records [my scenario], (b) databases that compile historical data from the original images ... . The three types do not carry the same wieth on any scale by which evidence is appraised. Thus our citations to websties should specifically state the type of digial file we are using, ... . If I follow this guideline, it may eliminate the source of a source of a source (original records of the cemetery microfilmed and placed on a CD and made available online by the library). This would also seem to align with the citation examples for censuses viewed via a website. The only challenge is that there is no official name for the original record. Through manipulation of the URL, I can navigate to the first page of the book, which is stock book simply titled "Schlicht's Standard Index" which was nothing more than a book of blank pages the cemetery used to record interrments. So, perhaps we must assume a title? Perhaps something like this: Bibliography: Mount Hope Cemetery. "Mount Hope Cemetery Interrment Index." Digital images. University of Rochester River Campus Libraries, <i>Mt. Hope & Riverside Cemetery Records</i>. http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?PAGE=3559 : 2010. Reference Note: "Mount Hope Cemetery Interrment Index". p. 534, George B. Oswold (interred 10 August 1935); digital images, University of Rochester River Campus Libraries, <i>Mt. Hope & Riverside Cemetery Records</i> (http://www.lib.rochester.edu/IN/RBSCP/Databases/IMAGES/MtHope/disc2/00000658.pdf : accessed 5 May 2010). I could also append the reference note detailing the source of the source (ala the census' "citing NARA microfilm ...") but I'm not sure what to cite...the site doesn't actually cite anything, although a paragraph does provide some the provenance of the records. Perhaps in conflict with the census citation recommendation, the citation under Local & State Records does not include a subsequent "citing" note. The one problem I see with this is that I do not think there is a way to have different URLs in the bibliography and reference note. The only way I can think of is to overwrite the reference note at each detail citation. This also seems necessary as the template does not record the reference note in the proper order (the item of interest is placed after the website title and URL). I have not yet gleaned from Mills' book when it is appropriate to include the item of interest upfront, ala the censuses, and when to put at the back. Here's another question -- let's say a template other than the one I used is a better choice. Is there a way to "convert" one template to another? In this case, it seems like Generic Source>Online Database is superior to Thanks... Scott On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Connie Sheets <[email protected]> wrote: > Scott, > > I think you've done well with a complicated situation! Some of my comments > and questions would be: > > The title of the website item, "Mt. Hope and Riverside Cemetery Records" > should be in quotes, IMO. > > Why did you not include the stamped page number on which Mr. Oswold's name > appears? > > What does Mount Hope Cemetery Office refer to? I may have missed it, but I > see no reference to the cemetery office on the website? [I never cite > something I don't know for certain from the source I'm looking at, unless > it's as an explanatory comment]. > > As mentioned in my previous post on this thread, I would include a > description of the images, i.e. that they appear to be a multi-volume index, > that the handwriting suggests the index may not have been prepared at the > time of the burial, and that it is not clear which volume of the index has > been imaged. > > My citation might look something like this: > > "Mt Hope & Riverside Cemetery Records," database and digital images, River > Campus Libraries, University of Rochester > (http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?page=3310 : accessed 5 May 2010), > entry for George B. Oswold (1935), p. 525 (stamped) of handwritten index, > volume name not provided. The consistency of the handwriting suggests the > index was not prepared at the time of the burials. > > Although I wrote this citation "from scratch," I can replicate it with the > Internet > Database and images template. > > Connie > > --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Scott Hall <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Scott Hall <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 1:19 PM >> Hey all... thanks for the dialog. >> >> Here's what I currently built, using the Cemetery Records >> template. >> >> University of Rochester River Campus Libraries—Department >> of Rare >> Books, Special Collections and Preservation, Mt. Hope & >> Riverside >> Cemetery Records Database and images >> (http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?page=3310 : >> accessed 5 May >> 2010), George B. 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