My locations vary from one (England, say) to six or more when dealing with medieval times in, say, Wales, when I always enter the old kingdom in addition to the modern shire. Sometimes more than six too when I enter a particular abbey or monastery because many are buried there, and I can get the exact coordinates, which are different from those of the town. I never use any other sorting method except the ones on the bottom right, Direction of Sort. So I can have my sort by Abbey, say, or by Wales.
CE From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:53:13 +0000 From: John Magyari Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields Ideally I'd like to have some locations with 4 position fields and some with 5 position fields. He where I'm confused. I'll create 2 new locations one with 5 fields and one with 4, next 2 lines city, admin, county, state, country city, county, state, country Now I go to View->Master Lists->Locations I do a sort trying each of the following Position 4, Position 3, Position 2, Position 1 also Position 5, Position 4, Position 3, Position 2, Position 1 in both of the above the country fields are in different places of the sorted lists. With a large number of locations some 4, some 5 positions, things don't line up, when sorting country, state, county. Forcing 5 fields to 4 or adding a fifth field to all my US locations, would allow me to sort via any field. Yes it's a kludge to force 5 into 4. But then sorting shows variations grouped together. I would think my rough spec would allow greater input variations. Even for those who have US only locations the ability to add 5th field for some entries, while keeping most at 4 would give ability to add Hospital, City, County, State, Country Cemetary, City, County, State, Country Address, City, County, State, Country City, County, State, Country then allowing one to sort Country, State, County and have things line up. Sorry about the misconception, with the way things are coded and for sorting to work, to me it seems like one needs to force all locations either to 4 or 5 positions. John, Legacy allows up to 9 location fields, and the direction of sort can be changed from left to right. Sorting from the right one can have Country, County, Town (I am using English style), or Country, County, Town, District, or whatever; the point being that to search for a location of any composition is easy – just start from the highest level and work down to the lowest. If one of the fields is missing ie. never existed it doesn’t matter. I suggest that you try it out by going to Master List>Sort, and check the box next to the sort button – it won’t change anything and should you wish you can just change it back. No need to force anything, no need for artificial fields, you can put in what you wish, even: Country, County, Parish, Town, District, Street, House. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ On 3/11/2012 7:58 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: John,  Please see below,   From: John Magyari Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields  Thanks for everyone's ideas. Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same number of fields helps with sorting.  So you believe in having inaccurate records in your file, merely to fit artificial American situations? Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX. Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX ie For Me for Poland city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5) If less fields entered enter Nulls city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin) city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county) city, state (Null other 3 fields) state (Null other 4 fields)  Absolutely *wrong* This gives no consideration whatsoever to the accurate location as determined by the in country in which the location is placed. This will perpetuate, what has recently been a decreasing trend, of putting square pegs into round holes. Perhaps America should change its way of recording locations? I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with fewer positions to 4 position system.  John, you, of course, can do as you wish, but please do not even hint at forcing your misconceptions onto the rest of us. john On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: John,  By all means use the American four field standard for American locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the way in which they are written.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John Magyari Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields  Typically for US locations i have ****4 FIELDS City, County, State, Country How do others handle European Countries? For example I have a village in Poland Area 1900's part of Austria Hungary Village, District, Province, Country ****4 FIELDS Lipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary Same place in 1940's ****4 FIELDS Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *****5 FIELDS City, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRY Lipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno County, Subcarpathian Voivodeship, Poland and since 2012 *****5 Fields Lipowiec, Jasliska Gmina, Krosno County, Subcarpathian Voivodeship, Poland When some locations ideally be 5 FIELDS, do you go back and update those with 4 Fields? With some having 4 some having 5 it's also harder sorting and then viewing similar towns over time periods. thanks, john magyari Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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