Jim,

as to "official usage" I would have no clue.

Onceuponna time I tried using "Cir" but that did seem to have some problem, long ago forgotten. Somewhere here on LUG recently someone mentioned that circa meant a range of +/- 20 years, but I think that's not exactly right, leaning toward meaning "about" as a somewhat better definition, altho circa may imply a larger range than about. ??

I use "Est" whenever documentation is unavailable and the date would be accurate only within a rather wide range. Of couse there must be "some clue" or else we'd just have lots of individuals floating somewhere out there in cyberspace!. e.g. A name with no location, no kin, no spouse and no date is useless, and would never get into anyone's gen-database (I hope!).

I use "Abt" when there is a reasonable certainty, e.g. a birthdate of an Evangelical in 18th century Bavaria was quite likely only 1-3 days prior to the christening date, so I'd post "Abt Mar 1784", which should be understood by a reader as perhaps Feb/Apr 1784. Also e.g. a child born between siblings known-born in 1822 and 1828 would be given a birthdate of "Abt 1825". In other words there is some supporting documentation even when deduced, and I prefer "Abt 1825" over "Bet 1822/1828". Also e.g. a child shown as age 8 in the 1880 census is somewhat more definite, so I would use "1871/1872", and in such instance of course we would identify the source.

It seems somewhat a matter of personal preference, but we try to post using whatever term should be clearly understood by our readers. In that sense "Est" is a bit problematic, as by definitition Estimate supposes some solid bit of direct source-data, despite that really just a semi-educated Guesstimate! If we stick with the standards with which Legacy deals so well, we'll be okay.

RonKZ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Winfrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 27 May, 2005 11:29
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] learning from mistakes


Ron,

I supply estimated birth dates too and it does help to keep data in
perspective.  One thing I get hung up on is when to use "circa",
estimated", "about", etc.  Legacy defaults to Est and Abt but to me
those terms mean different things.  I use About when I don't have a
clue and not much surrounding evidence, Est when I have dates for
siblings, parents marriage, etc.  I used to Circa with another program
when the only evidence I had was court event records, dates for
associates, etc but with Legacy I use Abt for Circa.  Is there any
official usage for all these similar words?

Jim

On 5/27/05, Ron Klotz Zellhoefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I'm coming into this thread late, but ...
When posting an individual with no known birthdate, I *always enter
something* for birthdate.
Perhaps most frequently is finding/posting a parent, where e.g.
"[childbirthdate]-30" may be appropriate, posted as e.g. "Est 1848".
Two benefits --
first that Legacy will then mark the individual as dead at an appropriate
future date
second it's most helpful in e.g. Index View for sorting individuals and/or
in just plain seeing *something* which might help one "recognize" that
individual, especially amongst many with the same name!
HTL
RonKZ

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