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On 25/07/14 04:38 PM, Jake Wasserman wrote:
> 
> I agree that geocoded private data must be allowed to stay
> private.

The ODbL goes to great lengths to explain that it only covers publicly
released data.

> At a minimum, we need to find a way to say actively reverse
> engineering the database can trigger share alike, but the ability
> to reverse engineer it does not.

OK. But we also need to find a way of saying that if that ability
leads to that result then there isn't a defence of being surprised.

> A lot of the responses here just say to not cross the Substantial 
> threshold. That feels like a total cop out - an argument saying OSM
> and its users should remain small and insubstantial... which
> doesn't seem to align with our goals.

That's something of a conceptual slippage. OSM and its users should
become large and substantial (as it were...). Non-free exploitation of
the resulting data should not.

> The fact that we’re scaring away well-intentioned users is sad.

Well-intentioned users don't want to circumvent the license in order
to recreate substantial sections of it for non-free use.

By definition.

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