Hi,

I share Terry's opinion on this. Even more considering how particular
documents could load customizations to buttons and other GUI items.

Cheers,

Offray


On 18/03/18 09:23, Terry Brown wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 22:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
> rengel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> One thing I never understood about the Leo GUI :
>>
>> Why is the tab bar with the open files right below the title bar, but
>> above the menu bar and the tool bar?
>>
>> Imagine a car where the accelerator and the brake were switched.
>>
>> In almost every other application (I know of) the order is:
>>
>> title bar
>> menu bar
>> tool bar
>> breadcrumbs (if used)
>> tab bar (if used)
> Firefox / Chrome / and I think at least one of the MS browsers have tabs
> on top. Admittedly they don't really have menu bars, but they have
> similarly critical elements under the tabs.  In both cases (Leo and
> browsers) the tabs represent a complete change of context, so I don't
> really see the tab positioning as surprising.  In Leo, perhaps more
> than other apps., changing tabs can change the menus and tools
> available.  In that sense they're the highest level of containment, so
> that combined with the web browser example makes me thing this isn't
> really confusing users.
>
> Gimp the image editor is a good example of where a lower tab bar makes
> sense, because all it does is change the image being edited, not the
> tools / menus available.
>
> Cheers -Terry
>
>> An application that exemplifies this order very well is PyCharm.
>> Like Leo it has  an outline structure and several resizeable panes,
>> each with multiple tabs for open files and functions. 
>>
>> This order implies a natural hierarchy and reflects some of the
>> paramount principles of GUI design: 
>> - Don't surprise the user. 
>> - Utilize prior knowledge.
>>
>> If someone is interested, there is more on this topic in 'GUI
>> Bloopers 2.0: Common User Interface Design Don'ts and Dos' (just
>> google for 'GUI bloopers).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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