On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:39:36 AM UTC-5, stevelitt wrote:
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>
> If you're taking notes, and you want the absolute fastest input to an 
> outline, VimOutliner's what you want. Several times I've taken 
> contemporaneous, well outlined and well organized notes while attending 
> meetings and lectures. I'm pretty sure it would be trivial to create a 
> VimOutliner to Leo converter. You get the input speed of VimOutliner, 
> and the power over your outline that Leo gives you. 
>
> I use VimOutliner as a todo list organizer, but that's just because I'm 
> not familiar enough with Leo to be efficient with it. Leo gives you 
> text metadata superior to VimOutliner's, and Leo has clones so, on a 
> shopping list, you can have the same item at Lowes and Home Depot, so 
> if one doesn't have it the other does. And if you add a specification 
> to the item, it adds it to both clones. Very nice! 
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>

I appreciate the suggestion. and I've never encountered VimOutliner.  
Please be aware that this thread is not about outliners and note takers, 
but something very different.  Sometimes I have called the zettels - the 
"atoms" of the system - notes, but that's a little misleading.  They would 
be your thoughts on a matter after you have taken your notes and read your 
references.  They are decomposed into small, well-focused bits that you can 
think about and refine over time, and that you will link to other atoms.  
Over time, with the help of a large group of these well-linked ideas, you 
become more creative and more able to relate disparate ideas and thought 
that you didn't remember or didn't realize were related.

At least, that is what the inventor and users of the system say.  And they 
did it all with a paper system, no less.  That's what we are hoping for 
here.  It's very different from taking notes or putting them into an 
outline (though that would be one way of linking the atoms).

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