>>> but I use the Package Users--I know, I know--System and need "su."
>>> 
>>>> -rwxr-xr-x  1 shadow-4.1.5.1 shadow-4.1.5.1    135159 Dec 11  2013 su
>>> Does "su" need to be owned by root or run suid to work?  Do the files
>>> in
>> 
>> (( A point of (indirect) ref: here it's typically:
>> 
>> -rws--x--x 1 root root [...] /bin/su*
>> 
> chown root:root and chmod u+s fixed it.
> 
> I know that there are many who don't have any use for the Package User
> System, and this is probably one of the things they don't like.
> Permissions and attributes for files are *very* important, and I must
> take particular care to note things like this from build to build.
> 
I use the Package User method on one of my machines, and just as a point of 
reference, this is what I have:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs  users   93332 Aug  7  2013 /tools/bin/su
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root shadow 202157 Aug  8  2013 /bin/su

Although it is called Package User, I would definitely not refer to it as a 
=packaging= method since that was not it's intended purpose.  I use it as a way 
of pinpointing possible installation conflicts between different programs, and 
as a learning tool.  YMMV

richard

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