On 08/28/2014 01:12 PM, Alexander Strasser wrote: > On 2014-08-28 18:58 +0200, Anton Khirnov wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 00:28:56 +0200, =?utf-8?B?Q2zDqW1lbnQgQsWTc2No?= >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Kieran suggested tonight on #ffmpeg-devel to have a common mailing-list >>> between the two projects to start communicating again in sane terms. >>> >>> The proposition would be a mailing-list where the 2 projects would send >>> the patches that will make API evolutions. So the projects can continue to >>> drop or add codecs & filters without caring about the other, but will try >>> to communicate more about the API, for the sake of our common users. >>> >>> At first, I suggest that won't engage anything from any of the two >>> projects (so we don't end up in a stalled states such as one project >>> trying to block the other), but it could be seen as a way to introduce >>> some common technical ground. >>> >>> What do you think? >> While some kind of non-hostile coexistence or even cooperation is desirable >> and >> might even be possible, I have large doubts that this specific approach can >> work. >> >> First, some of your project's developers (most importantly your leader) >> are being actively hostile to our project. That includes spreading FUD about >> us >> all over the internet, stalking our new contributors, etc. I do not think any >> kind of cooperation can work while this crap goes on. >> >> Second, how do you propose this arrangement will actually function? As you >> probably know, I see many of the API additions done in your project as ugly >> hacks, and would be strongly opposed to having them in our tree in their >> current >> form. Conversely, some API changes done in Libav were AFAIK rejected by your >> leader. So -- what happens when one side proposes a change that the other >> side >> fundamentally disagrees with. >> And furthermore -- what would ensure that the code actually gets pushed to >> both >> trees. Because otherwise there really is no point to this. > Please read what you wrote again; it is almost completely hostile > towards FFmpeg... > > Alexander >
$0.02 from someone that has mostly sat outside of this debate. Anton raises several good points that go directly to the proposal. But rather than provide any meaningful response, you choose to fan the flames. If you truly want to have a meaningful discussion about this, you are going to have to learn to tolerate the heat of the flames and move past them. IMO, a forum to discuss API changes where neither side is obligated to accept the others decision *could* be useful in that it opens discussions to a wider audience that may see faults in an API proposal before it becomes code. BUT, I'm not sure the parties involved are ready to have such discussions. Even without the current animosity, these discussions tend to get heated. And any slight insult is going to be taken wrong. I don't think the groups are ready for this yet. The above response by Alexander demonstrates this I think. -- John GnuPG fingerprint: D0EC B3DB C372 D1F1 0B01 83F0 49F1 D7B2 60D4 D0F7
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